That is one in all original shape. Halos around stampings looks intact, so it is not refinish.
Post more pics when you can.
1858 Remington New Model US
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Just shows what the "experts" on this forum know - not a lot.vonvladimir wrote:There are no serial numbers on the Remington New Model Army cylinders.On none of them ,exept on convertet ones for metalic cartridges.gunnertwo wrote: Could the cylinder be a replacement?
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Sometimes there is a conversion number on the cylinder.Like this one on the picture.
Original 1860's cylinders did, indeed, have serial numbers stamped on the "butt" of the cylinder, where the pawl ratchet indents are - on the circumference. They also included a sub-inspector's letter stamp.
I joined this forum to get some answers to my questions - got diddly-squat, not even a "welcome". Seems to me that the forum members are not a very friendly bunch!
Myself (from England) and a new member from Australia haven't had anything back from our requests for information. Lots of "viewings" but no responses.
See below - Scotch Mist? From my August 1863 .44 transitional Army revolver.
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VonValidmir, thank you - we now have some debate. I have borrowed a copy of that book, but found it was more concerned with sales and contract history, with only a very small portion, towards the end, about "hardware".
The cylinder in my photo, taken from my 30022 Serial Numbered .44, also shows that the cylinder originally had another, earlier 4 digit serial number that was struck out - 74?9, where ? = digit that cannot be deciphered.
The cylinder (externally) has the same "A" stamp as all the "A"'s on the right frame side, but also has a "B" on the rear with the numbers.
Was this "B" struck instead of the "3" leading digit of the 5 digit number of the gun, accidentally/in error?
But, wherever the serial numbers on originals were stamped, I don't believe they would have been stamped on the cylinder face as this area is the one that is exposed to powder residue and corrosion.
Also, weren't these revolvers capable of exchanging pre-loaded cylinders in the field, as mentioned in the book, which assumes that additional cylinders were issued, and readlily available. How were these tied in with any particular revolver?
The cylinder in my photo, taken from my 30022 Serial Numbered .44, also shows that the cylinder originally had another, earlier 4 digit serial number that was struck out - 74?9, where ? = digit that cannot be deciphered.
The cylinder (externally) has the same "A" stamp as all the "A"'s on the right frame side, but also has a "B" on the rear with the numbers.
Was this "B" struck instead of the "3" leading digit of the 5 digit number of the gun, accidentally/in error?
But, wherever the serial numbers on originals were stamped, I don't believe they would have been stamped on the cylinder face as this area is the one that is exposed to powder residue and corrosion.
Also, weren't these revolvers capable of exchanging pre-loaded cylinders in the field, as mentioned in the book, which assumes that additional cylinders were issued, and readlily available. How were these tied in with any particular revolver?
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VonVladimir,
Don Ware also states (earlier in his book, on page 67)
"... New Model cylinders (identified by the safety notches) or with cylinders that did not have matching serial numbers. "
Here he is referring to Elliot and Beals Army models, but looks like serial numbers were stamped on cylinders. It could be that my example has been fitted with a 2nd (spare) cylinder from another "set", but the spare had been restamped to match the existing gun and then "inspector stamped" as a made up gun (all the stamps match), as opposed to the cylinder being added later in its life - this is a bit of a puzzle.
George.
Don Ware also states (earlier in his book, on page 67)
"... New Model cylinders (identified by the safety notches) or with cylinders that did not have matching serial numbers. "
Here he is referring to Elliot and Beals Army models, but looks like serial numbers were stamped on cylinders. It could be that my example has been fitted with a 2nd (spare) cylinder from another "set", but the spare had been restamped to match the existing gun and then "inspector stamped" as a made up gun (all the stamps match), as opposed to the cylinder being added later in its life - this is a bit of a puzzle.
George.
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My NMA has the 4 last digits stamped on the same place as on gtt1951's gun. And its in the 519xx range so it is not a transition model.
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