12A magazine capacity

badhugo · Post by **badhugo** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:06 pm

It appears that the powers that be here in the Peoples Republic of Illinois, county of Crook are about to pass another useless Assault Weapons Ban. The wording of the proposed legislation is extremely vague but seems to ban tubular magazine .22 caliber rifles with a capacity of more than 10 rounds. Can anyone tell me the capacity of a Remington Model 12A, short, long and long rifle?
Thanks,
Hugo

Post by **DavidFagan** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:47 pm

I'm glad I don't live in crook county but irregardless Governor Daley and his hand puppet Blago need to go.
Hopefully the tradition continues ... All democrate governor's of Illinois end up in jail.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:50 am

The 1923 Remington catalog states the 12A holds 15 shorts, 12 long, and 10 long rifle cartridges.

badhugo · Post by **badhugo** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:39 am

Thanks for the Info. It appears that the latest version of the proposed ban exempts the 12A so I guess my fearsome Weapon of Mass Destruction and my Red Ryder BB gun are safe from confiscation - this time.
Only in Illinois.
Hugo

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:24 pm

Hugo:

I'm glad I live in the west, but sometimes we're not too far behind you. Remington changed the advertised capacities for the Model 12-A several times during production. Depending on the year of your gun, the advertised capacity was either 10 or 11 LR cartridges. The magazine was lengthened by 1" in 1912 and remained at that length through the rest of the production run.

John Gyde

badhugo · Post by **badhugo** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:46 pm

Thanks John,
I don't know when my 12-A was made but the serial number is 548XXX - in the 30's ???
Hugo

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:08 pm

Nope. 1920.

John

badhugo · Post by **badhugo** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:17 pm

Thanks John - good to know.
Hugo

badhugo · Post by **badhugo** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:31 am

Iâ€™m confused and MY BRAIN HURTS !
The 1923 catalog apparently states that my 12A holds 10 / 12 / 15 rounds but the lengthened magazine dating from 1912 holds 11 L.R. cartridges. So does my 1920 model 12A hold 10 / 12 / 15 rounds, 11 / 13 / 16 rounds or ?
Thanks,
Hugo

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:48 am

As stated previously, Remington changed the ADVERTISED capacity several times during the production run of the M/12. I believe they did so to avoid having someone trying to stuff too many cartridges into the magazine tube. Then the next year the higher capacity would seem desireable and they would change the advertised capacity. Then again, maybe they just picked up the number from some previous internal document and printed it...

I have never tried to load one to capacity, so don't have any personal experience.

John

dannyboy · Post by **dannyboy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:33 am

Hi. just found this site today. How did you know what year the 12A in question was made? I have one, serial number 16XXX and cannot find a serial number list anywhere on the web or in any gun books. I did find a guy who would "letter" my 12A but is this a factory letter? If not how did he get the info to letter it? My main interest is Colts and Winchesters from the 1800's but I bought a beat up 12A for 100 bucks, and since it was so beat I relined it and did other repairs myself. Don't cringe! The stock was cracked in 9 places, and the barrel was a sewer pipe inside. Now i find I LOVE IT! I shoot it a lot with standard velocity ammo. It has become my all time favorite .22 and frankly looks good.

dannyboy · Post by **dannyboy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:34 am

Forgot to mention I load mine to capacity and it holds 10 LR cartridges

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:13 pm

Dannyboy:

Yours was made early in 1910. I am curious about who has offered the "Letter". I am quite sure it isn't from the factory.

You may consider this as a free letter if you wish.... The information comes from factory records, but I do not have any direct relationship with Remington. Production in 1910 started with serial # 14,287 & ended with 55,104. The serial #s almost certainly started with 1 (I have # 26) and went beyond 832,000. I do not know where the serialization by year is available on-line. Roy Marcot & I are nearly done with a 300+ page book on Remington 22 rifles that will have that information. The changes made during the production run will also be documented. The years & numbers will probably end up on-line somewhere after the book is published.

John Gyde (gydemate@aol.com)

dannyboy · Post by **dannyboy** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:30 am

Hi. Thank you for the info. I wondered if it was first year production or not. I guess not.
If you go to http://www.antiqueguns.com you can click on a link on the left side of the screen that will take you to numbers or links to several research or collectors associations. I got the phone number for a remington researcher from that. My computer is slooooowwwww so i did not check it before typing this note to you. If you cannot find it there let me know and I will try to find it again. He wanted 25 bucks for a letter.

dannyboy · Post by **dannyboy** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:35 am

Okay I found it. Go to http://www.antiqueguns.com and on the left click on "watchdog". When that loads look on the left for "Factory Letters", click there and you will see what i am talking about

Remington Society

A Organization Dedicated to the study of Remington Firearms