Why doesn't Remington change..

[SamDBL]

the safety position on the 870? That and the switch placement seem to be the two recurring criticisms I hear in reviews when people compare them to Mossbergs. The fact that you have to take your trigger finger out of position to do the safety and switch. I guess it doesn't matter since the 870 is still outselling everything else. It just seems like the only two negative things people ever bring up about the model. That and the plastic trigger guard... but that seems really misinformed to me.

[remington600]

I figured out long ago that there will always be someone that complains. Thats whats wrong with the world today. If you dont like it dont buy it. If they would change the perfectly good trigger gaurd to metal then people would complain about the weight.

[Wulfman]

the safety position on the 870? That and the switch placement seem to be the two recurring criticisms I hear in reviews when people compare them to Mossbergs. The fact that you have to take your trigger finger out of position to do the safety and switch. I guess it doesn't matter since the 870 is still outselling everything else. It just seems like the only two negative things people ever bring up about the model. That and the plastic trigger guard... but that seems really misinformed to me.

I'm not sure where you're reading these criticisms, but then I don't read any other gun forums and I haven't really looked at any "new" 870's lately.

I'm not sure what you mean by "switch placement" or "safety and switch". In addition to my 870's, I also have a little Mossberg .410 pump that has the safety at the top rear of the receiver. If you think about it, the push-button safety at the rear of the trigger guard (on the 870's) could be considered "safer" because the finger is not on the trigger when it's pushed inward to take it off safety. When you push the safety button inward, the finger can then slide forward to the trigger. In the case of the safeties that are at the rear (top) of the receiver, the trigger finger could be on the trigger at the time the safety is pushed off of "safe" (forward) by the thumb and it could be fired when you're not ready to. Personally, I keep my finger off the triggers until I'm ready to fire......I rest it somewhere on the outside of the trigger guard.

I have several 870's that date from the late '60's to late '70's and the trigger guards are NOT plastic.......probably anodized aluminum, but definitely not plastic.


Den

[Virginian]

You have to be kidding. The people who like/prefer Mossbergs will just find something else to complain about. A lot of us like the way the controls are laid out just fine the way they are, and we have liked it that way for coming 60 years. If you want something else by all means get it, but I think it take a bit of nerve to say that the most popular shotgun in the history of the planet is wrong compared to an imitator. People with other brands work overtime to run down Remingtons. Benelli comes out with a plastic trigger guard and it's "innovative"; Remington does the same thing and it's wrong and cheap. "Colored" reporting in my book.

[Wulfman]

Just put my first firearm on layaway. It's an 870 Police model (parkerized). It's mainly for home defense. After lots of research, it seemed that this was the shotgun for me since I didn't want a 'starter' gun that I'd probably want to upgrade later.
I have a couple of kids in the house, so over penetration is a concern for me (the main reason I went with a shotgun instead of a revolver). What's a good round that doesn't have too much scatter or penetration? I plan on testing some out at the range. But just thought it would be good to get a starting point since I'm sure many of you have experience with this gun.
Thanks in advance.

And.........if you did as much "research" as you say you did (in this other thread/post), then you should have known all about the safeties and all the other features.

We don't know where you live or how old your kids are, but I sincerely hope that "SAFETY" is of primary concern where and how you keep that gun stored for if or when it may be needed. Since this is apparently your first firearm, I hope that you do lots more "research" on how to use it and then practice with it at a range.

I'm all for firearms ownership and defending oneself, but the level of knowledge you've displayed about firearms and ammunition in these two posts is worrisome to me.


Den

[SamDBL]

Wow. I can see this forum is filled with useless Rem snobs. Unbelievable.
The reviews I've read/seen didn't 'prefer' Mossbergs, but rather recommended the 870 over any Mossberg. It's simply that three or four reviews I've seen (as well as several forums that weren't filled with people so sensitive about simple criticism of their precious brand) brought up specifically the placement of the safety as a negative when compared to a Mossberg. I've already mentioned I'm not yet a gun owner. I've actually already settled on an 870 as it seems superior to me in most regards. But the criticism that was levelled against the reminton's safety placement seemed to make sense to me (the criticisms against the plastic trigger guard did not). I hadn't thought about actually wanting your hand out of trigger position to remove the safety. That's why I was asking. Is that what this forum is for? Or just to jump up and down like a bunch of spoiled pansies if anything with a Remington stamp on it is questioned?
Jesus. I think I'll just go ahead and frequent other, less biased forums for future information. I can do without the ridiculous brand name defensivenees.

[SamDBL]

I have several 870's that date from the late '60's to late '70's and the trigger guards are NOT plastic.......probably anodized aluminum, but definitely not plastic.

Ok. Well, this year is 2009 and even the current production 870 police models now come with plastic/synth trigger guards. Maybe you should do a little research, yourself.

[remington600]

Well if this drives you to name calling whats going to happen when the poor neighbor kid walks across your lawn or your wife shows up 5 minutes late from work. Maybe you shouldnt own a gun.

[Wulfman]

I have several 870's that date from the late '60's to late '70's and the trigger guards are NOT plastic.......probably anodized aluminum, but definitely not plastic.

Ok. Well, this year is 2009 and even the current production 870 police models now come with plastic/synth trigger guards. Maybe you should do a little research, yourself.

I SAID I haven't looked at any newer 870's in the last several years. But, in any case, it doesn't make that much difference to me......I have all the firearms and ammo I'm ever going to be able to shoot in the rest of my lifetime. I don't own anything newer than a 1989 Mdl. 700. All the rest are "golden oldies". But, I'm sure their current trigger guard assemblies are just fine.

And, as far as these statements go.......

Is that what this forum is for? Or just to jump up and down like a bunch of spoiled pansies if anything with a Remington stamp on it is questioned?
Jesus. I think I'll just go ahead and frequent other, less biased forums for future information. I can do without the ridiculous brand name defensivenees.

Ummmmm......this IS a website and forum about REMINGTON products. It says so at the top of the pages.

Remington Society
A Organization Dedicated to the study of Remington Firearms

I have a pretty wide variety of firearms of different types, brands, gauges and calibers, but I love my Remingtons, which make up over half of my collection.


Den

[SamDBL]

I SAID I haven't looked at any newer 870's in the last several years.

Where did you say that? And if that's the case, why would you comment so snidely on a model you've never seen? Especially when I already said I don't care about the trigger guard being plastic.

But, in any case, it doesn't make that much difference to me

I said that that particular criticism was not justified. So it obviously doesn't make a difference to me, either.

Ummmmm......this IS a website and forum about REMINGTON products. It says so at the top of the pages.

Remington Society
A Organization Dedicated to the study of Remington Firearms

Right. "The study of remington firearms". I read that to mean that I could maybe ask a few questions about a Remington model. But apparently it means this is simply a fan club (and a touchy one, at that) with absolutely no bias or real perspective and any statements perceived as critical will be met with scoff and outrage.

[SamDBL]

Well if this drives you to name calling whats going to happen when the poor neighbor kid walks across your lawn or your wife shows up 5 minutes late from work. Maybe you shouldnt own a gun.

Name calling equals the same as shooting my wife. Boy.. this board gets better and better all the time.

You guys need to jump out of fanboy mode once in awhile.

[remington600]

Well this forum is to help educate the people in need. This post seems to be getting way off track, and I think it needs to be put to an end. SAMDBL I think I know the answer but I hope we could be more help on a differant matter in the future. No matter what Remington you may purchase I know it will be a great gun. I speak for myself and everyone in the RSA that YES we are all fans of Remington and I am sure we always will be. Hope you visit again. Have a good Thanksgiving.

[35Rem]

For what it's worth, I like the postion on the safety. It's been there on Remingtons since, what, the 1920's. Maybe earlier on the Model 14 pump rifle. I can pick up any Remington (11-87, 1100, 870, 7400, 7600, 141, 14, etc) and know where the safety is. It's very easy to use the trigger finger to turn it off and the trigger finger is in position to shoot the gun, but not on the trigger. I actually push the safety off with the pad of my finger, not the tip. This allows me to "slap", or roll my finger on the trigger without moving my hand or finger. Pretty easy and fast. I have no problem and actually prefer it, say to the location of a Winchester (front of the guard). The Mossys are OK, but cater to the leftys more.

[Researcher]

I think it is safe to say the marketplace has spoken. With over 8,000,000 Model 870s out there, if it hasn't already, it must be approaching, being the majority of pump shotguns in service. The Winchester Model 1912/12 got close to two million in 53 years, and their Model 1897/97 got just over a million in 60 years of production. Has anything else come even close?

[Virginian]

The 10 millionth 870 has already been produced.