Model 12 .22 long rifle, Mfg. 1910

AMoseyMom · Post by **AMoseyMom** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:00 pm

I own a Model 12, pump .22 long rifle manufactured by Remington in 1910. When I look online at photos of the Model 12's, they are similiar to mine but all look like basic models. How do I go about finding out what 'Grade' my model is? It does not have the straight walnut grain wood but instead has 'burled maple' looking wood with beautiful checkering and a leaf engraved. There is an ornate metal butt plate and no restoration of any kind has been done on this gun. The rifling is visible and appears to be in great shape. Family lore tells me that my Gr. Grandmother fed all 10 of her children with this gun and looking at old photos, I'd say she fed them well. I can attach a copy of the rifle if that would help...?

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:04 pm

Photos are needed before any possible help can be given. There were a few maple stocked M/12s. They may have been special order or added later by the owners. A photo of the "ornated Buttplate" would be interesting.

remington600 · Post by **remington600** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:40 pm

If its a 1910 production I wouldn't bet the house on it, but my guess is that it was added afterwards. I would like to see some pictures too.

AMoseyMom · Post by **AMoseyMom** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:48 pm

Thanks, guys.
Here is a bit more information...RW stamped directly above the serial number.
Remington verified that it was manufactured in 1910.
"W" stamped on the metal piece between the Reciever and the Forestock.
"8" stamped inside the ejection port.
I think those last two markings are just inspection stamps but I might be wrong.
.22 Long Rifle stamped on the barrel.

Here are a couple more photos...

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:45 pm

NICE M/12!!!

The serial # must be below 55,104. The wood & buttplate do not appear to be factory, but they are so well done that it probably adds to the value. The LONG RIFLE caliber stamp verifies that it is an early M/12. They were stamped 22 SHORT, LONG & LONG RIFLE shortly after your gun was made. Yours might have a steel inner magazine tube. Rem changed to brass about the time your rifle was made. The RW stands for Remington Works, the internal name for the factory. The other stamps are proof and inspection marks. Again, VERY NICE RIFLE...

AMoseyMom · Post by **AMoseyMom** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:43 pm

Thank you, John. My serial number is in the 23,000 range. Just my feeling, but in looking at other factory checkering and comparing it with 'after market' engraving, I believe that Remington did this work. I only have family stories to go with and when it comes to this gun, there are few. I've started looking for an early picture of my Gr. Grandparents that might have the gun placed in the photo somewhere. Wish me luck. I'm still looking to find what 'Grade' this gun might be.

remington600 · Post by **remington600** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:07 pm

I am 99.99% sure thats not Remington checkering. How long is the barrel? The round barrel 12-A had 22" barrels. That one in the picture appears to be about 24 or 26" long and maybe a little bit heavier. It also appears that the metal finish on the outside and the inside of thr reciever has been changed as well. Is the inside of the reciever bright silver?

AMoseyMom · Post by **AMoseyMom** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:20 pm

I'll be home tonight and will check on the barrell length...I should have already done this. I will also verify the color of the metal inside the receiver. I took the pictures with a flash camera and got a bit of glare. I hope it is not distorted too much.
Thank you for your reply. I'll be back tomorrow.

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:01 pm

[quote="AMoseyMom"]Thank you, John. My serial number is in the 23,000 range. Just my feeling, but in looking at other factory checkering and comparing it with 'after market' engraving, I believe that Remington did this work. I only have family stories to go with and when it comes to this gun, there are few. I've started looking for an early picture of my Gr. Grandparents that might have the gun placed in the photo somewhere. Wish me luck. I'm still looking to find what 'Grade' this gun might be.[/quote]
It appears to be a round barrel which would make it a 12-A. The checkering is very well done, but I examined over one thousand M/12s while doing research for Roy's & my book. I have seen nothing like the checkering, wood & buttplate on your rifle. I don't want to hurt your feelings, but IMHO it aint factory! But...it's very nice.

AMoseyMom · Post by **AMoseyMom** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:32 pm

Here are the answers to the previous quesitons...Barrel length is 22" and the inside of the receiver is steel with no blueing. It is used so I can't really say that it is 'bright steel' but it is not blued and it is not brass. The end of the barrel is not blued. The round barrel diameter is .75". Is the 'target grade' barrel wider?
A closer inspection of the checkering on the forestock and the butt shows that they were done by two different craftsmen. Is it possible that Remmington would have done either of these two pieces under a customer order? Would the leaf be a 'signature' of the person doing the engraving or just typical artwork? Not important to determining the grade, just a thought.
Also, John, what would be the book that you referred to?

John Gyde wrote: The checkering is very well done, but I examined over one thousand M/12s while doing research for Roy's & my book. I have seen nothing like the checkering, wood & buttplate on your rifle. But...it's very nice.

Yes, I agree that I have a very nice gun. When referring to this gun on my insurance policy will I call it an M/12A? M/12A Deluxe? They asked for the Serial Number, Model and a photo but I'm just not sure that calling it a Model 12 is the right thing to do.
Thoughts?

Post by **DavidFagan** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:12 pm

This is John and Roy's book it's listed in the Remington books section.
http://remingtonsociety.com/rsa/books/RimfireRifles

This is a Model 12-A, with a LOT of non-Remington modifications/enhancements.
There doesn't appear to be a single part that wasn't cut, replaced, reworked, or refinished.
Somewhere in it's life it's had nearly a complete overhaul.

John Gyde · Post by **John Gyde** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:58 am

Your photos help a lot. It looks like it might have a barrel liner???

Insurance of a custom rifle can be an issue. If you know a gun dealer he/she can probably write up an appraisal for you.

IMHO you have a very nice rifle with some nice custom wood & checkering. Having said that, if you put it on the market it would not bring a substantial premium over a factory M/12.

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