RE: Remington Model 11 riot

[ibuymilitaria]

Hello Everybody my question is very complex. I have acquired a model 11 riot. Here is what I do know. 1. the barrel dating system that Remington uses is not accurate when the barrel has been changed (mine is AM which would make it march of 1921). 2. the serial # 486056 does fall into the block of numbers 455,000- 500,000 acquired by the military ( I called Remington directly and they indicated it was manufactured in 1939). 3. the weapon has a SAA cartouche (San Antonio Arsenal). Remington indicated that they marked the shotguns with military finish on the receivers from 1941-1946 (this is what I was told not confirmed) Ok now if you have followed along my receiver is marked with all the proper military cartouches, flaming bombs (barrel & reciever) and has military finish , which is stamped on the reciever and is, but remember it is 1939 not the 41-46 which remington had told me. As for the barrel the original serial number has been defaced by I presume an armmorer with capital (I) and new ones of the reciever have been hand stamped next to it. Also the barrel has a 23 1/2 in length cylinder bore not the 20" of standard riots (all true riots used cylinder bore) I dont know for a fact that they only came 20" though. OK you say it was rebuilt at SAA but does not explain the "military finish" stamping, also on early examples of model 11 they have game scenes engraved on the receivers I have witnessed serial # 470795 with such engraving, I do not know when the cut off from early to late is. Is there any way to find these things out and were this shotgun started out its life after the factory and where it has been and put some light on the anomalies that I have encountered maybe from San Antonio itself ? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jeff B

[Researcher]

Between 1936 and 1938 Remington reduced the roll-stamped "engraving" on the sides of "The Sportsman" from three-birds to one bird, and with the one-bird roll-stamp began putting it on the Model 11 as well. So, only Model 11s from 1938 to 47 had the roll-stamped birds on the sides.

Perhaps the "Military Finish" indicates a lack of the roll-stamped birds. The armed forces took many Remington Model 31 and "The Sportsman" skeet guns along with Winchester Model 12 Skeet Guns for use in aerial gunnery training during WW-II. Many of those guns were still in use at military gun clubs in the 1960s and 70s when I was in the Navy. Your barrel is most likely a longer barrel cut down.

[ibuymilitaria]

Thank you for some help here. I was aware of the trainers with the cutts comp on them and the sportsman model 11 with the birds on but the dates are a big help. Due to the fact of the un original barrel i figured that it may have been cut down but to 23 1/2 lil to short for skeet and if you were going to cut a barrel why not make it the 20" its suppost to be. Unless the military had some special purpose for that lenght. Jeff