84050 - 243 Win
84051 - 7mm-08 Rem
84052 - 270 Win
84053 - 30-06 Sprg
84054 - 7mm Rem Mag
84055 - 300 Win Mag
84056 - 270 WSM
84057 - 300 WSM
I wanted a .308 but these are the only options... which one is closest to a .308 or would be best for long distance shot.
Which of the following is more powerful?
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remington600
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Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
My pick out of the calibers that you have listed would be the 7mm rem mag. Its better and shoots flatter then the 308. The 7mm rem mag is known as the best all around bullet from varmints to big game. Your 300 win. mag will have a little bit more muzzle energy though for your more powerful question. Your 308 energy will fall off fast at long distances.
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shot1too
Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
MCHUTTON
Energy for firearms is measured in Foot/Pounds. Exterior ballistic tables printed by the makers will show the amount of energy over the range of the cartridge and load. It is more impotaint to match the caliber with what you are using the rifle for than just getting the most powerful cartridge. As an example, the 6MM BR is used to shoot varmints at ranges over 1000yds but it shouldn't be used to kill an elk at that range. Take the time to learn about ballistics. It will serve you well on learning about what type of shooting you can do with any given cartridge and still get the job done. Try this Remington Arms web site. There is a good reason to understand the "NUMBERS"!
http://www.remington.com/products/ammun ... allistics/
Energy for firearms is measured in Foot/Pounds. Exterior ballistic tables printed by the makers will show the amount of energy over the range of the cartridge and load. It is more impotaint to match the caliber with what you are using the rifle for than just getting the most powerful cartridge. As an example, the 6MM BR is used to shoot varmints at ranges over 1000yds but it shouldn't be used to kill an elk at that range. Take the time to learn about ballistics. It will serve you well on learning about what type of shooting you can do with any given cartridge and still get the job done. Try this Remington Arms web site. There is a good reason to understand the "NUMBERS"!
http://www.remington.com/products/ammun ... allistics/
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remington600
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Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
As I would have to agree its always a good idea to get as much knowledge as you possibly can so you can pick the right rifle for your situation unless you have the money to buy several. I have to disagree that the 6mm BR is not a good 1000 yard varmint gun. I am not saying that there are not people out there doing it. The 6mm amd 7mm BR was made for sillohette shooting. That was the idea for the heavy bullet to knock over the heavy metal target. There are alot more logical calibers thet will do a more humane kill. Be fare to the animals that you hunt.
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shot1too
Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
Remington600
Well, I have to disagree about the 6MM on varmints. I've shot several P dogs and woodchucks out to 500plus this year and none got up and move off. Dead is dead and the 105gr AMAX does as much damage as anything else. Another reason to study terminal ballistics. You have to match the bullet to the job at hand. A heavy bullet in a fast twist barrel closes the gap between calibers (up to a point). Look at what the 223 can do on the millitary range with a heavy bullet. This trend has problems when larger animals are being hunted. So if a 105gr was launched at an elk, at a 1000yds, you would be more than right. In recent years varmint central for P dogs has been in North Dakota on indian reservations. The calibers have been limited to 25 or smaller. So a big 30 or 338 wouldn't make it. Check the IBS and NBRSA sites to see what the 6MMs have been doing at long range. It will get even better as new powders come along and increase the velocity of these rounds. More foot pounds of energy will be produced. In short, I disagree on your position on varmints but not your stand on using the right caliber for the job. Enough of this dribble. It has nothing to do with collecting Remington firearms.
Well, I have to disagree about the 6MM on varmints. I've shot several P dogs and woodchucks out to 500plus this year and none got up and move off. Dead is dead and the 105gr AMAX does as much damage as anything else. Another reason to study terminal ballistics. You have to match the bullet to the job at hand. A heavy bullet in a fast twist barrel closes the gap between calibers (up to a point). Look at what the 223 can do on the millitary range with a heavy bullet. This trend has problems when larger animals are being hunted. So if a 105gr was launched at an elk, at a 1000yds, you would be more than right. In recent years varmint central for P dogs has been in North Dakota on indian reservations. The calibers have been limited to 25 or smaller. So a big 30 or 338 wouldn't make it. Check the IBS and NBRSA sites to see what the 6MMs have been doing at long range. It will get even better as new powders come along and increase the velocity of these rounds. More foot pounds of energy will be produced. In short, I disagree on your position on varmints but not your stand on using the right caliber for the job. Enough of this dribble. It has nothing to do with collecting Remington firearms.
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remington600
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Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
Well the 6mm rem is in a whole differant class then th 6mm BR.When the 6mm cam out in 1962 they said the 6mm rem met magnum ballistics. They decided not to call it a magnum because they thought it would hurt sales. 500 plus yards is a long way from a 1000. I'm a firm believer in shooting the biggest caliber that you can shoot accuratly and safely. I can kill a moose with a a 22. Is it right NO. The 6mm rem.is one of my favorite calibers and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 6mm BR. A lot of this is opinion, but every bullet has its place, and I know on the chart a factory loaded 6mm BR (will have no energy at a 1000 yards. I have no idea what the Remington collecting remark has anything to do with this. But on that hand I am very proud of what I have accomplished in my collection and I hope it grows more and more.And I know a lot of other RSA members are proud,and the people I know should be. That's what this website is about.
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shot1too
Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
The collecting remak, if you read it, says enough with the ballistics talk. It has nothing to do with collecting.
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The Rifleman
Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
You people got so far off the subject that I can't understand how this post lasted this long.
The question was which round was the most powerful.
The answer from a technical standpoint would be the one with the biggest case - that held the most powder, that had the longest barrel, that could burn a slow burning powder, that would produce the most energy at the muzzle and downrange.
Think about it like this.
If you had a case that held 60 grains of water and you had two identical bullets, both rifles should make the same amount of energy.
But if one had a longer action and a longer barrel, it should make more energy than the one with the shorter case and shorter barrel.
More than likely the answer would be the 300 Winchester Magnum - with a 180 grain bullet / over a 7 MM Remington Magnum with a 150 grain bullet.
The 7MM would probably be more accurate and hold just as much if not more energy down range and would also have a larger sectional density - because the bullet has to be more elongated than the 300 Winchester Magnum.
Both will do the trick for most anything in the lower 48 States and both would have ammunition that would be available at most any Wal Mart store or small country store in the western states.
Trying to compare one to the other would be comparing apples to apples because their case is so much alike along with the construction of the firearm that shoots it.
Forget anything small that zip it eee doo dah's and goes like a bat out of hell and doesn't kill anything - because the bullet is too small to take down large animals like bears and elk and moose.
My daddy said for years that all he ever needed was a good 30/06 with 150 gr handloads, until he bought his .270 Winchester pump. Then the '06 went in the corner of the gun cabinet - never to be seen again.
There isn't much that cannot be killed with a '06!
The question was which round was the most powerful.
The answer from a technical standpoint would be the one with the biggest case - that held the most powder, that had the longest barrel, that could burn a slow burning powder, that would produce the most energy at the muzzle and downrange.
Think about it like this.
If you had a case that held 60 grains of water and you had two identical bullets, both rifles should make the same amount of energy.
But if one had a longer action and a longer barrel, it should make more energy than the one with the shorter case and shorter barrel.
More than likely the answer would be the 300 Winchester Magnum - with a 180 grain bullet / over a 7 MM Remington Magnum with a 150 grain bullet.
The 7MM would probably be more accurate and hold just as much if not more energy down range and would also have a larger sectional density - because the bullet has to be more elongated than the 300 Winchester Magnum.
Both will do the trick for most anything in the lower 48 States and both would have ammunition that would be available at most any Wal Mart store or small country store in the western states.
Trying to compare one to the other would be comparing apples to apples because their case is so much alike along with the construction of the firearm that shoots it.
Forget anything small that zip it eee doo dah's and goes like a bat out of hell and doesn't kill anything - because the bullet is too small to take down large animals like bears and elk and moose.
My daddy said for years that all he ever needed was a good 30/06 with 150 gr handloads, until he bought his .270 Winchester pump. Then the '06 went in the corner of the gun cabinet - never to be seen again.
There isn't much that cannot be killed with a '06!
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remington600
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Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
His question was answered in the first post.
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shot1too
Re: Which of the following is more powerful?
Seems to me the idea of a forum is to exchange information. I think that is what has been done here. Whish we had more of this but on collecting issues.
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remington600
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