US Navy M1867 Rolling Block

[jboyson]

All,

I recently purchased the below shown remington rolling block and have spent the last few weeks pouring through forums and staring at hundreds of pictures to learn more about it.
As far as I can tell this is a Remington US Navy M1867 Rolling Block Carbine.
It has all of the proper markings between the P, FCW and Anchor stamps of the right had side of the frame, the FCW cartouches on the fore and butt stock as well as the anchor on the Barrel.
The breech is also the proper concave style but as you may notice it had it's original stud extractor removed and was modified to have the post 1870 sytle side ejector. I have also confirmed it has been rechambered from .50-45 to .50-70 likely at the same time the new extractor was added.

Please let me know what additional details you might know about this unique find.

[jboyson]

Here are more photos of the above mentioned rolling block showing SN and overall size

[wlw-19958]

Hi There,

I don't think I can add much to your knowledge base seeing
that you have done a lot of research already. As you prob-
ably already have discovered, the 1876 Navy Carbines are
quite rare and an unmolested one is very valuable. The only
ones I've hear about in 50-70 are the ones that were sold
to South Carolina for their militia. This was after the carbines
were condemned and sold by the Navy and ultimately purchased
by Schuyler, Hartley and Graham. From what I have read, the
conversion was done by fitting new barrels to them. Also, the
upper tang was stamped with a large "SC" to denote South Carolina
ownership. From the pics you posted, yours does not have those
telltale attributes.

There are a couple of things that peak my interest, First off, the
barrel is stamped with extra numbers on the left-hand side; some
of it is covered by the forend. Originally, there was only one serial
number stamped there. It would be interesting to see what is
hidden under the forend.

Second, the extractor looks like it is a copy of the one patented by
Albert Day in 1901 and used on the 1902 model rolling block. This
extractor was really an ejector and would throw the spent shells
out. The extra screw on the left-hand side of the frame, just below
the breech block pivot pin is the giveaway for this type of extractor.
I have seen other older rolling blocks with this upgrade. Check out
a recent thread on this board: viewtopic.php?p=36797#p36797

Anyway, it is a very interesting rifle and worthy of additional study
and research. Thanks for sharing!

Cheers!
Webb

[jboyson]

Webb,
I greatly appreciate you providing some more history around the US Navy Carbines, I'd never looked as far forward as the No5 to compare the extractor to. I agree they look very similar. I'm hoping to have a gun smith look at this soon and tell me if it's safe to try firing, and we might get a good look inside to confirm.

I've attached images of the additional serial numers under the forestock, also took the time to get a shot down the front of the frame.
Looks like an E and 8760 was added, I'm wondering if this was done by the gunsmith who made the mod on the extractor?

Let me know if ther's anything else you notice or know with these additional images and again thank you for the additional history on the Navy Carbines, I love learning

Thank You,
Boyson