Could someone tell me what we have (my father actually).
One is a pump .22 caliber rifle with action that slides up from the receiver to push back the hammer. My father says it's a Model 1890 "WRF" but from what I've been reading, that seems "newer", but I guess newer is a relative term. From the pix I saw at the Remington site, it doesn't look like a Model 12, which they say is hammerless. They don't have a pic of a Model 121, which is the first one I saw that uses the term WRF. Wish I could post a pic here, but ... Anyway, it has the octagonal barrel, and a screw with a head that's exposed above the (left side) plate of the receiver and the screwhead is about 1/2 inch in diameter. The outside of the screw head is "patterned" so that it can be gripped as it's twisted.
He also has a double barrel shotgun which he says is so old it didn't even have a model number (the first model made by Remington according to him, approx 1860's). Serial number on each and every part is "67". Has what he called "high hammers" (but one is missing). He also said it had a Damascus twist barrel, but that doesn't make sense. The term "Damascus", from what I know, means the outside of the barrel is engraved with a pattern (this one doesn't have that).
If anyone knows what these are, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks. Oh, and I have pix of both if those would be helpful. Would just need to know where to send them.
Kent
kentwells@yahoo.com
What Models are these ??
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The Rifleman
Re: What Models are these ??
Let me help you out here, since it seems that people have misdirected you.kwells wrote:Could someone tell me what we have (my father actually).
One is a pump .22 caliber rifle with action that slides up from the receiver to push back the hammer. My father says it's a Model 1890 "WRF" but from what I've been reading, that seems "newer", but I guess newer is a relative term. From the pix I saw at the Remington site, it doesn't look like a Model 12, which they say is hammerless. They don't have a pic of a Model 121, which is the first one I saw that uses the term WRF. Wish I could post a pic here, but ... Anyway, it has the octagonal barrel, and a screw with a head that's exposed above the (left side) plate of the receiver and the screwhead is about 1/2 inch in diameter. The outside of the screw head is "patterned" so that it can be gripped as it's twisted.
He also has a double barrel shotgun which he says is so old it didn't even have a model number (the first model made by Remington according to him, approx 1860's). Serial number on each and every part is "67". Has what he called "high hammers" (but one is missing). He also said it had a Damascus twist barrel, but that doesn't make sense. The term "Damascus", from what I know, means the outside of the barrel is engraved with a pattern (this one doesn't have that).
If anyone knows what these are, I'd appreciate the info. Thanks. Oh, and I have pix of both if those would be helpful. Would just need to know where to send them.
Kent
kentwells@yahoo.com
First off Damascus Steel is not a regualr steel that has been engraved with a pattern.
Damascus Steel Barrels are - and I will quote from "wykopedia"
Some old shotgun barrels (usually on double barreled guns) were formed from wires that were wrapped around a mandrel and forged and welded into shape. This leaves a visible wire pattern, similar to a fingerprint in the barrel and such are referred to as "Damascus Barrels". Guns made with Damascus barrels are significantly weaker than fluid steel barrels, and more prone to corrosion and failure due to the welds along the length of the barrels. Damascus barrel shotguns should be examined by a qualified gunsmith and proof tested before use, to ensure that the barrels are sound before using the shotgun. The use of modern nitro cordite shotgun cartridges in an antique damascus barreled shotgun would cause the barrel to fail with dangerous consequences. Damascus barrels are only proofed for the use of traditional black powder which has much less ballistic energy than cordite. Damascus was used to manufacture shotgun barrels as choke boring was not mastered. It was far simpler to forge and weld the damascus around a mandrel to achieve the choke than it was to bore a fluid steel barrel. Choke boring was finally perfected by W.W. Greener near the end of the nineteenth century.
What ever shotgun you have - do not shoot it!