Saw this online, wondering if this is a B grade, with the extra ducks and pheasants and grip cap?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=76559006
Thanks
Is this a "B" Grade Model 11?
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It is a Sportsman Skeet Gun pure and simple. Like Bob Stack shot to Skeet fame as a teenager back in the late 1930s!!! I'd buy that in a minute if I stumbled on it at a local gun show. There are lots of old squareback Remingtons around, but bonifide Skeet Guns are scarce. "The Sportsman" was a three-shot version of the five-shot Model 11. The Sportsman was introduced around 1931, the same time frame the 20- and 16-gauge autoloaders were added to the Remington line. By the mid- to late 1930s the Model 11s got that same engraving of a Pheasant on the right and the Ducks on the left as The Sportsman. That particular gun is from the 1940s by the smaller patch of chekering on the grip. A boneifide vent rib Skeet Gun and a 16-gauge! Whats not to like??
The only question I'd have, would be if the stock was cut any when that pad was added.
The only question I'd have, would be if the stock was cut any when that pad was added.
Well, I'm not an expert, by any means, I just haven't seen one like this before.
I've only seen One Duck and One Pheasant on ANY model 11's. So 3 on each side looked Very Different to me.
Also, the checkering pattern on the forearm is different, in that it is not a solid panel, rather it is two, split down the bottom of the forearm.
EDIT: The grip cap is also different from what I'm used to seeing.
Thought this might be something a little out of the ordinary. I've never seen "B" grade very well defined, other than extra engraving and special checkering pattern, I think.
I've only seen One Duck and One Pheasant on ANY model 11's. So 3 on each side looked Very Different to me.
Also, the checkering pattern on the forearm is different, in that it is not a solid panel, rather it is two, split down the bottom of the forearm.
EDIT: The grip cap is also different from what I'm used to seeing.
Thought this might be something a little out of the ordinary. I've never seen "B" grade very well defined, other than extra engraving and special checkering pattern, I think.
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That larger fuller forearm and the grip cap were features of The "Sportsman" Skeet Gun. I just went down to the safe and pulled out all three of my Sportsman and they all have one Pheasant and one duck, and they all say "The Sportsman" on the bolt, not on the left side of the receiver as this gun.
Going back earlier in time to the 1914 Remington catalogue the No. 11B "Special" Grade had a stock and forearm of selected imported walnut (Juglans regia) and was checkered while the No. 11A had a plain stock of American walnut (Juglans nigra). Both had round knob half-pistol grip stocks.
By the 1918-19 catalgue the No. 11 guns are shown with flat-bottom pistol grips. The pictures and the listings are the same in the 1923 catalogue.
By the undated little pocket catalogue that introduces the Model 29 pump, the Model 11A has gotten a checkered grip and forearm, and the crossbolt safety replaced the old fore and aft lever in front of the trigger. The designations have changed from No. to Model.
The 1931/2 pocket catalogue has the Model 11 now available in 12-, 16-, and 20-gauges, introduces The "Sportsman" in all three gauges and the Model 32 over & Under and the Model 31 pump in 12-gauge only. In this catalogue the Model 11 still has a plain receiver but The Sportsman is shown with the three-bird roll stamp on the receiver sides.
The 1936 illustrated price list still shows the three-bird roll stamp, but shows the smaller checkering pattern on the pistol grip, so I guess my original assumption that the gun in question was from the 1940s was wrong. In the 1936 illustrated price list the Model 11A is still shown with a plain receiver while The "Sportsman" A and The "Sportsman" Skeet Gun both are shown with the three-bird roll stamp.
The big 1938 Remington catalogue shows the B "Special" Grade just had better wood now Juglans nigra. The gun shown doesn't have a grip cap and has the one Pheasant on the right side. All the pictures of Model 11s and The "Sportsmans" show the one-bird roll stamp in this catalogue. The 1938 Dealer's Price List is the same, but the picture used of The "Sportsman" A shows the larger grip checkering pattern while the picture of The "Sportsman" Skeet Gun shows the smaller checkering pattern as the gun in question. The 1939 Dealer's Price List shows the same.
So, it appears that the three-bird roll stamp was used on The "Sportsman" up thru 1936, and by 1938 both the Model 11 and The "Sportsman" got the one-bird roll stamp.
Going back earlier in time to the 1914 Remington catalogue the No. 11B "Special" Grade had a stock and forearm of selected imported walnut (Juglans regia) and was checkered while the No. 11A had a plain stock of American walnut (Juglans nigra). Both had round knob half-pistol grip stocks.
By the 1918-19 catalgue the No. 11 guns are shown with flat-bottom pistol grips. The pictures and the listings are the same in the 1923 catalogue.
By the undated little pocket catalogue that introduces the Model 29 pump, the Model 11A has gotten a checkered grip and forearm, and the crossbolt safety replaced the old fore and aft lever in front of the trigger. The designations have changed from No. to Model.
The 1931/2 pocket catalogue has the Model 11 now available in 12-, 16-, and 20-gauges, introduces The "Sportsman" in all three gauges and the Model 32 over & Under and the Model 31 pump in 12-gauge only. In this catalogue the Model 11 still has a plain receiver but The Sportsman is shown with the three-bird roll stamp on the receiver sides.
The 1936 illustrated price list still shows the three-bird roll stamp, but shows the smaller checkering pattern on the pistol grip, so I guess my original assumption that the gun in question was from the 1940s was wrong. In the 1936 illustrated price list the Model 11A is still shown with a plain receiver while The "Sportsman" A and The "Sportsman" Skeet Gun both are shown with the three-bird roll stamp.
The big 1938 Remington catalogue shows the B "Special" Grade just had better wood now Juglans nigra. The gun shown doesn't have a grip cap and has the one Pheasant on the right side. All the pictures of Model 11s and The "Sportsmans" show the one-bird roll stamp in this catalogue. The 1938 Dealer's Price List is the same, but the picture used of The "Sportsman" A shows the larger grip checkering pattern while the picture of The "Sportsman" Skeet Gun shows the smaller checkering pattern as the gun in question. The 1939 Dealer's Price List shows the same.
So, it appears that the three-bird roll stamp was used on The "Sportsman" up thru 1936, and by 1938 both the Model 11 and The "Sportsman" got the one-bird roll stamp.
