Remington 1891 & 1901 Target Rolling Block Pistols

[orpington]

I had my hands on one today, in 95% condition, not monkeyed with. However, the one I saw today is in .22 Short, and has the proper markings on the receiver, and military markings of P and S, all typical of the 1891 model. However, it has a serrated trigger and checkered grips, common in the 1901 model, as well as a blued frame, front and rear sights mortised into barrel, etc. All the indicators seem to indicate that this is a Model 1901, except there is a P and an S (military receiver markings) on the barrel. Were there 'transition' models? This firearm looks every bit right, and I am not kidding you when I say it is nearly 100%, not reblued, with minor handling marks at the end of the barrel. If the above is true, what are the values on these at this time, wholesale and retail?

What Flayderman values at seems 'fair' maybe. The price doesn't seem to reflect the rarity much at all. If a 1901, only 735 produced, if an 1891, only 116 produced (maybe more).

[ChuckD]

Without seeing a photo, I believe this is an 1891 target, I base this on the fact that the rear sight is on the barrel.
The 1901 had the sight on the receiver. Also the breach block on the 1901 has the thumb piece off set to the right,
The checkered grips could be from the 1901, or done later.
Remington had many excess Rolling Block pistol frames that were used on other models. The various target pistols
as well as the Cadet rifle and Model 7 rifle, so it is possible that this could be a transition or using up the old parts Model. What is the barrel length? A photo would be a great help in identification.
We can't comment on prices, and recommend checking auction sites or references such as The Blue Book of Gun Values.

[billt]

I am not sure what you had but from what little information you have and no pictures I am leaning toward a 1901 target pistol with possibly a changed barrel or rear site. According to Jerry Landskron’s book Remington Rolling Block Pistols the 1901 frame is marked with the standard two-line address and military inspector marks P and S on the left side. The 1891 left frame is marked with either the standard two-line or the six line seven-patent address. It also had checkered grips and forearm. Other differences between the 1891 and 1901 are: The breechblock thumb spur on the 1891 is high whereas the one on the 1901 is bent at a 90 degree angle to keep it out of line with the rear site. The trigger is knurled on the 1901 and not on the 1891. On the 1891 pistol the octagonal part of the barrel where the octagon joins the round portion is rounded off on the bottom of the barrel. This can be seen just in front of the forearm. The 1901 barrel is octagonal all the way around. The barrel address on an 1891 does not have USA whereas the 1901 does. The caliber marking on the 1901 is full i.e. 22 LR, 22 S or 25-10 where as on the 1891 it was shortened to 22 or 25.
One last thing just to confuse the issue, Jerry stated in his book, “As the 1891’s appreciate in value, frequently a 1901 barrel on a military marked frame with a Rocky Mountain rear site is being passed on to collectors as a “real” 1891.”

I hope this helps,

Bill

[orpington]

Yes, this does help! All the information you gave me CLEARLY suggests that this is a 1901 and not an 1891. The rear sight is not on the barrel (some confusion amongst the responses here) which is characteristic of a 1901 as well. I clearly had in my hands a 1901 with P & S on the frame, which I believed to be unique to an 1891, and this is obviously not the case.

I am new to the Remington forum, but I do know firearms (mostly Colts, Winchesters, and Smith & Wesson), and this is definitely an original (not monkeyed with) firearm.

Maybe I can get my hands on this one again soon and post pictures.

[orpington]

I did write rear sight mortised into barrel. My mistake...it should have said FRAME!

[orpington]

I have pictures and tried to send them and I got an error message that the file exceeds 256 KB. What do I do?

[orpington]

I have pictures and tried to send them and I got an error message that the file exceeds 256 KB. What do I do?

Does someone out there mind helping me and then I can post photos I obtained? Would like to get a value and see if the asking price is at all reasonable. Thank you.

[Eskilgh]

Hi
If you are using Windows see this link:
http://www.wikihow.com/Resize-an-Image- ... soft-Paint
In step 5 select pixels and set the horizontal to 800 (usually gives a file size lower than 256KB).
In step 7 select "Save as" and give it a new name so you don't overwrite the original file.

Hope this helps
Regards
Eskil

[orpington]

Thank you, Eskilgh, for your help.

Okay, here are pictures of this firearm? What is a fair price to pay for it? It might be priced too high for my liking, but what might be a good wholesale and retail price for it? Any other thoughts regarding this firearm?

[orpington]

And one last photograph of this Remington 1901:

[billt]

I cannot comment on the value of the revolver because I have not examined it. The rear site is different from any that I have seen on 1901’s. It may be a replacement. The original site was is adjustable for elevation and windage.

Bill

[orpington]

Yes, the rear sight is adjustable for elevation AND windage.

[orpington]

There were some nice 1891 & 1901 Remington Target Rolling Block pistols in the James Julia Auction today. Does anyone know what they went for?