Choke size / barrel length 1894

[Researcher]

They have for sure been shortened. The load used to target 12-gauge guns was 1 1/4 ounce of #8 shot, which went 511 pellets. With a two-digit number on the lug, a leading 3 is implied. So, 336/511 = 65.8% and 332/511 = 65% or about improved modified in both barrels. I have a 30-inch gun marked 24 right and 33 left, and the chokes measure .027" in both barrels.

The 12-gauge barrel lengths offered in the Remington Arms Co. catalogues were 28-, 30- and 32-inch from the October 1894 introduction of the Remington Hammerless Double Barrel Shotgun thru the 1901 catalogue. Beginning with the 1902 Remington Arms Co. catalogue 26-inch barrels were added to the C-Grade and higher offerings. In the 1908-09 and 1909 Remington Arms Co. catalogues they offered 26-inch barrels on the various A-grade guns and the K-/KE-Grade guns. They never catalogued 26-inch barrels for the various B-Grade guns?!?

[dieNusse1]

When it left the factory it was choked somewhere between improved modified and full. Remington used 511 #8 pellets in its' 1 1/4 oz patterning loads. A leading 3 is assumed on the barrel stamping so --- 332/511 = 65% in a 30" circle at 40 yards.

Unless special order - Remington did not offer a 25.5" barrel.

[Researcher]

Post some pictures. We need to see this.

Generally cut barrels are the kiss of death, and drop market value 50%.

[Researcher]

You need to have your pictures loaded on a photo hosting site, such as Photobucket.com and then copy and paste the links here.

If you're having trouble with this, you can email them to me at AHFCA@comcast.net and I'll post them.

Dave

[Researcher]

Looks like a nice DE-Grade --

[Researcher]

According to the serial number chronology in the late Charles Semmer's book, Remington Double Shotguns, this gun is of 1898 vintage. Normally D-/DE-Grade Remington Hammerless Doubles had game scenes on the sides of the receiver and only scroll on the bottom. However, Semmer shows another DE-Grade, also of 1898 vintage, that has scroll on the sides and a game scene on the bottom.

[dieNusse1]

What a great gun!! The English style stock is an added plus - not many out there.

Any pics of the muzzle?

[dieNusse1]

Have you measured the bores? Using 0.729" as a nominal cylinder bore, an improved modified choke should measure about 0.704 - 0.706".

As for the butt stock, was it cut when installing the recoil pad?

[Researcher]

While there is no way to prove it, I believe this DEO-Grade left Ilion with this leather-faced Silvers recoil pad --





Unfortunately I don't have a photo handy that shows the widow's peak.

[2shooter]

The stock looks bright and clean has it been refinished? Looks to bright and no marks. The silvers recoil pad is right.

[dieNusse1]

Well that means the barrels have been cut. Too bad. Also it appears the butt stock has been cut. Does it still have the Neider point?

According to the Remington Double Shotguns book by Charles Semmer, he had tabulated 21 as of the publication date of 1996. Perhaps more have been reported since then.

[dieNusse1]

Well, in the first place it should be a Nieder point. Sorry about the error.

So what's a Nieder point (or widows peak)? Most butt plates are flat but a butt plate with a Nieder point has a v shaped projection into the wood at the top of the butt stock. Most all Remington Arms Co. doubles had this style except Model 1900's after about 1906 or so.

[Researcher]

The stock looks bright and clean has it been refinished? Looks to bright and no marks.

Never been touched. Just the way it came out of an old estate on the Eastern Shore. I've displayed it at two or three Remington Society Seminars and once at the Nimrod Classic which was covered in the Remington Society Journal. The last time I spoke with Charles Semmer his count of D-Grades was in the low thirties with four 16-gauges and the rest 12-gauges.

[Canvasback]

Whoever cut those barrels should be hung by his thumbs! I'm not a fanatic for all original finishes but cutting the barrels unforgivable.

Beautiful gun nevertheless.

[paul harm]

I have a C grade that Bachelder restored. It looks really nice, like yours - be nice if it was a D grade. You have a really nice gun. Remington chokes go in quite a ways - you may still have some, or quite a bit if it was a 26" barrel gun. Researcher, thanks for the photos. Paul