My Model 14A Using Dummy rounds for test
If I chamber a Dummy Round and fire it and hold the trigger in the fired postion and chamber another Dummy round the striker/firing pin releases after I release the trigger .
The gun operates Normal if I just chamber a round fire it then chamber a round.
Fire when closing
Re: Fire when closing
Hey!
Not uncommon, at least 20-30% of my 14/141's do this! You don't even need to try it with dummy rounds, if they are going to do it they will do it on an empty chamber! On some (not many) of the 14-1/2's I've worked on they will fire as fast as you can shuck by just holding the trigger back.
My advice is, don't mess with the trigger assembly. This phenomenon is just part of the "quirkyness" of the 1910 technology. Again, all 14/141's won't do this but many will...........you are just lucky to have one that does.
I can only add that I originally thought it was a Model 14 problem but about half the 141's that have come into my shop lately do exactly what you describe.
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
Not uncommon, at least 20-30% of my 14/141's do this! You don't even need to try it with dummy rounds, if they are going to do it they will do it on an empty chamber! On some (not many) of the 14-1/2's I've worked on they will fire as fast as you can shuck by just holding the trigger back.
My advice is, don't mess with the trigger assembly. This phenomenon is just part of the "quirkyness" of the 1910 technology. Again, all 14/141's won't do this but many will...........you are just lucky to have one that does.
I can only add that I originally thought it was a Model 14 problem but about half the 141's that have come into my shop lately do exactly what you describe.
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
Jim Peterson
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Re: Fire when closing
Thank You Jim My two 141s do it most of the time
Another question have you seen many Model 14s with a cylinder spring inside the forend wood? Its not a Coil spring
I replaced a forend on a Very early rifle serial #C2118 and it had a spring that was broken inside
of the wood between the tube and wood. I still have the spring can post a picture
Another question have you seen many Model 14s with a cylinder spring inside the forend wood? Its not a Coil spring
I replaced a forend on a Very early rifle serial #C2118 and it had a spring that was broken inside
of the wood between the tube and wood. I still have the spring can post a picture
Re: Fire when closing
Yep, that's called a "tensioner" spring and the lip of it went in a groove located on the underside of the barrel. The fore ends at the time were specially cut for the "spring" which left little in the way of wood on the underside so those fore ends could split more readily. The tensioner spring production didn't last long...........Tom Hemphill or Ken Blauch would know the period of time and serial range and I'm too lazy to check Ken's book or call Tom.....lol.
The springs broke a lot, were a pain to re-install, it made the fore end weak, and overall served little purpose. I don't need a picture, I have about six or eight in my parts drawer!
On the other subject I may have over-stated the percentage of 14/141's that have the trigger release fire feature.......1t's probably more like 10-15% but like I said, not uncommon. When I read your posting I had this 141 carbine next to my desk with a 37,000 serial so I picked it up and sure enough it did it.
OK.......enuff, I do get blabby!
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
The springs broke a lot, were a pain to re-install, it made the fore end weak, and overall served little purpose. I don't need a picture, I have about six or eight in my parts drawer!
On the other subject I may have over-stated the percentage of 14/141's that have the trigger release fire feature.......1t's probably more like 10-15% but like I said, not uncommon. When I read your posting I had this 141 carbine next to my desk with a 37,000 serial so I picked it up and sure enough it did it.
OK.......enuff, I do get blabby!
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
Jim Peterson