Model 12A
Re: Model 12A
Yup, 1912 it is. It's a good idea to shoot standard velocity ammo in it.
Re: Model 12A
The barrel liner and headspace are not the issue. The M/12 was designed and made before Hi-Vel (and higher pressure) ammo was introduced. The primary issue is the breechblock and supporting parts. The M/121 replaced the M/12 in 1936. Rem redesigned the breechblock in the M/121 to provide a larger bearing surface & beefed up other internal parts. Many folks (including me before I knew better) have shot some hi-vel ammo in M/12s without problems. I have also heard about and seen quite a few M/12s that had become action-sloppy to the point of not being safe to fire. In quizzing the owners, they all admitted to using significant rounds of 22 hi-vel ammo. I have never seen a M/121 come loose like that...
Re: Model 12A
It is difficult to educate folks about guns that were made when the Titanic was still afloat. Old guns like the Model 12 & 14 were made from steel that is a far cry from what we have today.
I have never met or talked to John Gyde but the both of us essentially keep saying, "use your brain" these guns were not designed for the bullets and powders of today.
If you need to be further convinced of why not to use high velocity ammunition, how about accuracy. There have been countless bench rest tests using all sorts of .22 Rimfire ammunition, high velocity stuff in any new made rifle will give you a significant spread at 50 yards, standard velocity will group nicely.
If that doesn't convince you then think about this, "why is all match grade .22 rimfire ammunition either low or standard velocity". I shot in smallbore competiton from 1955-1995 and don't remember seeing (or hearing) any Super-X used on the firing line.
Bottom line, standard velocity is best for these old guns and is far more accurate.
Regards!
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
I have never met or talked to John Gyde but the both of us essentially keep saying, "use your brain" these guns were not designed for the bullets and powders of today.
If you need to be further convinced of why not to use high velocity ammunition, how about accuracy. There have been countless bench rest tests using all sorts of .22 Rimfire ammunition, high velocity stuff in any new made rifle will give you a significant spread at 50 yards, standard velocity will group nicely.
If that doesn't convince you then think about this, "why is all match grade .22 rimfire ammunition either low or standard velocity". I shot in smallbore competiton from 1955-1995 and don't remember seeing (or hearing) any Super-X used on the firing line.
Bottom line, standard velocity is best for these old guns and is far more accurate.
Regards!
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
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Re: Model 12A
https://www.remingtonsociety.org/manufacture-dates/JaDub wrote:Hello to all....... I`m a newby and quite wet behind the ears when it comes to model 12s. I`m hoping you can guide me into the world of 12s.
I just bought 5 model 12s of various models at auction and am looking for information on them. The first one is serial # 6832XX and is simply marked Model 12 with no letter designation. It has a 21.5 " octagonal barrel which is marked 22 REM SPECIAL. I believe the barrel date stamp is EU with a diamond shaped icon folowing the letters. It has a steel butt plate.
The others are two 12-As and two 12-CSs. How do you read the barrel date stamp letters?
I will post pictures if you all might be interested.
Thanks for your help ! JaDub