Gentlemen,
came across a magnificant specimen of a M16 Rem.
My question is this: Is it possible to find any type of .22 ammo to fire
from this piece? I understand the 22 Remingnton cartg. has not been made since the early 70's- is any company making it now? is it possible if I cant locate any of this ammo-that another similar cartrg. can be used? or do I have another "looks great-but cant fire it " Remington?
thanks
Jay
model 16 question
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shootist
model 16 question
Last edited by shootist on Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Outlaws
http://www.chuckhawks.com/22WRF.htm
Is that 22 called the .22 Remington Special? That page says the .22 WRF (not WMR) is completely interchangable with the 22 Remington Special and that Winchester occasionally makes a few of them.
Is that 22 called the .22 Remington Special? That page says the .22 WRF (not WMR) is completely interchangable with the 22 Remington Special and that Winchester occasionally makes a few of them.
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shootist
1906
Jay:
Slow down.... What do you have???? There was no Model 1906 Remington that I am aware of. The Model 6 was made in 22 short or S,L,LR (as well as 22 shot & 32 rimfire). Those cartridges are certainly available. The Model 6 was not made in the 22 Rem Spec cartridge. The Model 16 was made in 22 Remington Autoloading caliber which is not interchangeable with any other cartridge. Do you have a semi-auto or falling block? My bet is that you have a Model 16 semi-auto. Those cartridges have not been made for quite a while. They can be found at gun shows or gun shops if you're lucky. The starting price is $20 or better for a box. $25 to $30 might be more logical.
John Gyde
Slow down.... What do you have???? There was no Model 1906 Remington that I am aware of. The Model 6 was made in 22 short or S,L,LR (as well as 22 shot & 32 rimfire). Those cartridges are certainly available. The Model 6 was not made in the 22 Rem Spec cartridge. The Model 16 was made in 22 Remington Autoloading caliber which is not interchangeable with any other cartridge. Do you have a semi-auto or falling block? My bet is that you have a Model 16 semi-auto. Those cartridges have not been made for quite a while. They can be found at gun shows or gun shops if you're lucky. The starting price is $20 or better for a box. $25 to $30 might be more logical.
John Gyde
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shootist
You are correct- I didnt realize the typo in the first post!
my mistake- it is a model 16. thanks for pointing that out, I picked up the Rem and a Win M1906 at the same time, ( rem from a relative and win from a shop) hence the typo.
So I take it chances of firing the beaut are slim to none?
thanks for your reply John
Jay
my mistake- it is a model 16. thanks for pointing that out, I picked up the Rem and a Win M1906 at the same time, ( rem from a relative and win from a shop) hence the typo.
So I take it chances of firing the beaut are slim to none?
thanks for your reply John
Jay
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lineman
as a historic aside, the rem model 16 fired a specific round, 22 rem. autoloading, which was loaded with BLACKPOWDER! hence the gun would jam up after a very few shots, being a semiauto design that did not tolerate any type of fouling. this doomed the gun as word quickly spread of its unreliabiity. i owned and fired with some original ammo a pristine model 16. not impressive accuracy or power. just enjoy a nice piece of remington history. if chambered for a smokeless 22 round it would have probably been very successful, as all rem 22.s were.
Remington 16
Shootist, I have a Remington 16 that has been modified to shoot .22LR. It is a lot of fun to shoot and operates every bit as good as the Winchester 1903's & 63's. I'll send photos of the breech to show the mod if you want.
Mike
Mike
M/16
Mike:
I have a copy of a letter from Remington to a gunsmith who asked for information on doing a similar conversion. That letter says "Frankly, we would hate to attempt it in our own Labratory". The letter also explained that the chamber would have to be made longer and smaller in diameter. The barrel would have to be sleeved since the two cartridges are not the same diameter. Then, "The chamber pressure for the LR is about double that of the 22 Rem Auto, and that, coupled with the differences in bullet weight would complicate balancing the masses to allow for proper extraction." Bolt velocity issues would need to be overcome "for reasons of safety and to avoid broken parts". Remington refused to send the gunsmith any drawings or information exept the warning letter.
Unless the individual knows a whole lot more than the factory, my advise would be "DON'T SHOOT IT!!!!".
John Gyde
I have a copy of a letter from Remington to a gunsmith who asked for information on doing a similar conversion. That letter says "Frankly, we would hate to attempt it in our own Labratory". The letter also explained that the chamber would have to be made longer and smaller in diameter. The barrel would have to be sleeved since the two cartridges are not the same diameter. Then, "The chamber pressure for the LR is about double that of the 22 Rem Auto, and that, coupled with the differences in bullet weight would complicate balancing the masses to allow for proper extraction." Bolt velocity issues would need to be overcome "for reasons of safety and to avoid broken parts". Remington refused to send the gunsmith any drawings or information exept the warning letter.
Unless the individual knows a whole lot more than the factory, my advise would be "DON'T SHOOT IT!!!!".
John Gyde
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berns
Re: model 16 question
hello, i would like to throw my two cents worth in on this model 16 thing.
first, the 22 auto round, from remington or winchester was never loaded with black powder.
the reason for these special cartridges was to prevent standared 22 rounds which many was
still loaded with BP. both win. and rem. found that BP and semi-auto actions wont work.
even smokeless loads require frequent cleaning. to be reliable. rivaliry between rem. and win.
caused the configuration of the two rounds to be made so that each could not be used in outhers rifles.
I being a stubborn old cuss had to try to make them interchangable, and i did.
by modifying my model 16.
a--opened up loading port
b--opened up magazine tube enough to let rounds pass but not let follower come out
c--opened up throat from magazine to chamber
d--slightly enlarged chamber
all of this so that i could fire win 22 auto which is available from old western scrounger.
it also functions with the rem 22 auto just fine
do i recomenned this to others --no just wanted to show it can be done.
first, the 22 auto round, from remington or winchester was never loaded with black powder.
the reason for these special cartridges was to prevent standared 22 rounds which many was
still loaded with BP. both win. and rem. found that BP and semi-auto actions wont work.
even smokeless loads require frequent cleaning. to be reliable. rivaliry between rem. and win.
caused the configuration of the two rounds to be made so that each could not be used in outhers rifles.
I being a stubborn old cuss had to try to make them interchangable, and i did.
by modifying my model 16.
a--opened up loading port
b--opened up magazine tube enough to let rounds pass but not let follower come out
c--opened up throat from magazine to chamber
d--slightly enlarged chamber
all of this so that i could fire win 22 auto which is available from old western scrounger.
it also functions with the rem 22 auto just fine
do i recomenned this to others --no just wanted to show it can be done.
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edbu
Re: model 16 question
Gentlemen: I find myself in the same situation as shootist, and others. I have acquired a really fine Model, 16, and I would love to shoot it. It just has so much more class than a 10-22!
Warnings appreciated, but I would love to correspond with those who are shooting their model 16s, in whatever configuration.
ed
edbu@comcast.net
Warnings appreciated, but I would love to correspond with those who are shooting their model 16s, in whatever configuration.
ed
edbu@comcast.net
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remington600
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Re: model 16 question
I have 16s, and I do shoot a couple of them every once in a while. The quietest 22 you will ever shoot. The action is louder then the bullet. First of all MY OPINION I wouldnt modify any firearm to do something it was not made to do. A big WHY. Its not worth chancing getting hurt. Especially for a 22 because there are hundreds of didnt kind of 22s out there that will do exactlly what you need. Second you talk like yours is a nice one. Keep it nice because as soon as you modify you have a worthless science project. You have a great gun!
Re: model 16 question
Reply to several of the posts....
Yes, many smokeless powder rounds were made for the M/16. I don't know if the original rounds were black powder or not.
With the proper tools and imagination, one could probably convert a heavy barrel .22 to 50 BMG, but is it a good idea?
If you want to shoot a M/16, buy some cartridges that were made for it. If you can't afford the $25 a box price, sell the gun and buy a shooter. DON'T TRY TO CONVERT IT!!! I've seen a couple of these conversions for sale at gun shows. The sellers claimed (and I believed them) that they didn't know they were dangerous. They pulled them off the table.
Question of the day... After you screw around with a perfectly good rifle, what will you do with it? Answer... The only responsible thing to do would be to destroy it (complete the job you started). Passing it on to a friend or family member is totally irresponsible!
Let's keep shooting as a safe sport and not give the anti-gunners more ammo.
Yes, many smokeless powder rounds were made for the M/16. I don't know if the original rounds were black powder or not.
With the proper tools and imagination, one could probably convert a heavy barrel .22 to 50 BMG, but is it a good idea?
If you want to shoot a M/16, buy some cartridges that were made for it. If you can't afford the $25 a box price, sell the gun and buy a shooter. DON'T TRY TO CONVERT IT!!! I've seen a couple of these conversions for sale at gun shows. The sellers claimed (and I believed them) that they didn't know they were dangerous. They pulled them off the table.
Question of the day... After you screw around with a perfectly good rifle, what will you do with it? Answer... The only responsible thing to do would be to destroy it (complete the job you started). Passing it on to a friend or family member is totally irresponsible!
Let's keep shooting as a safe sport and not give the anti-gunners more ammo.
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edbu
Re: model 16 question
Thank you for the replies... I want to shoot this rifle. Where can I find the correct Remington Autoloading cartridges? I have found the Winchester brand only, and they are not the ones.
Ed
Ed
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remington600
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Re: model 16 question
You can find them pretty easy on Gunbroker or other auction sites that sell ammo.
Re: model 16 question
I have seen it quite often at gun shows.