The cartouche on my grips are very faint, only the outline can be destinguished clearly.
I've tried to read it with a magnifying glass but I can't make heads or tail of it.
I tried to use Photoshop to enhanche a close up shot of the cartouche but that didn't work either.
Is there a way to "develop" the cartouche so that it could be read?
Reading faint cartouche
Re: Reading faint cartouche
Ryden
Sometimes is just almost impossible to make out the cartouche. Often I'm happy if I can just see a trace. I've had some success "lifting" the cartouche by GENTLY cleaning it a toothbrush and mild detergent. I've also had some success at identifying the cartouch by taking some pictures from differnt angles using my digital camera and the flash, then Photoshiping them. Last but not least, close examination with a good magnifying glass out in the bright sun will show things that nothing else will.
Good Luck,
George
GBA
Sometimes is just almost impossible to make out the cartouche. Often I'm happy if I can just see a trace. I've had some success "lifting" the cartouche by GENTLY cleaning it a toothbrush and mild detergent. I've also had some success at identifying the cartouch by taking some pictures from differnt angles using my digital camera and the flash, then Photoshiping them. Last but not least, close examination with a good magnifying glass out in the bright sun will show things that nothing else will.
Good Luck,
George
GBA
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Ryden
Re: Reading faint cartouche
Ok, a light cleaning and then I'll bring the grip to work.
We've got a stereo microscope in the electronics workshop and I'll try that.
Is there a compilation of cartouches that I could compare against somewhere?
It's easier if you have a picture to work against.
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We've got a stereo microscope in the electronics workshop and I'll try that.
Is there a compilation of cartouches that I could compare against somewhere?
It's easier if you have a picture to work against.
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Ryden
Re: Reading faint cartouche
A quick search and some database mining gave me a compilation with some likely candidates to choose from:
CGC C.G. Chandler Remington Beals .36 and .44 Remington M1861, 44 3Rd Model Dragoon.
DD Daniel Dunsmore Gunner, USN Remington Revolvers 1861-1868.
DFC David F. Clark Remington-Lee, Hotchkiss Rifles, Colt, Starr, Remington and Savage Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1861-1886.
GEC G.B. Cruzen Remington M1861 New Model Revolver 1861.
GG Guert Gansevoort Cdr., USN Remington New Model Percussion Revolvers, Colt and Whitney Converted Revolvers, Dahlgren Bayonets, Ames Cutlass Aston M1842 Pistol 1850-1861.
GP Giles Porter Remington New Model and Pettengill Revolvers 1862-1875.
GRC Unknown Remington New Model .44 Revolvers.
HBJ H.B. Johnson Remington Beals Navy Revolver 1862.
JTB James T. Baden Lt., USA Remington, Starr and Savage Revolvers 1862-1864.
JWK John W. Kelly Lt., USN Remington and Starr .44 Revolvers 1853-1864.
JWR James W. Reilly Maj., USA Remington .44 Revolvers 1859-1895.
OWA O.W. Ainsworth, Colt M 1873 SAA Revolvers # 179 to 14xxx, Smith & Wesson N0.3 .44 M1869, Remington and Colt Percussion and Conversion Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1831-1870.
RPB R.P. Barry Capt., USA Remington, Starr, Rogers & Spencer Revolvers 1860-1865.
SC Silas Crispin Capt., USA Remington M1861 Revolvers 1862.
WAT William anderson Thornton Capt., USA Nippes M1840 Musket, Ames, Aston R. Johnson & Waters Pistols and Massachusetts Arms Adams, Remington Beals, Savage, Colt, Paterson, Walker and Dragoon Revolvers, Joslyn Carbines, Colt Revolving Rifles 1840-1861.
WC William Cadwell Remington Beals .44 Percussion Revolvers 1860-1861.
These are the inspectors that handled Remington c&b revolvers in .44
I attached the full list in case someone else should want it
CGC C.G. Chandler Remington Beals .36 and .44 Remington M1861, 44 3Rd Model Dragoon.
DD Daniel Dunsmore Gunner, USN Remington Revolvers 1861-1868.
DFC David F. Clark Remington-Lee, Hotchkiss Rifles, Colt, Starr, Remington and Savage Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1861-1886.
GEC G.B. Cruzen Remington M1861 New Model Revolver 1861.
GG Guert Gansevoort Cdr., USN Remington New Model Percussion Revolvers, Colt and Whitney Converted Revolvers, Dahlgren Bayonets, Ames Cutlass Aston M1842 Pistol 1850-1861.
GP Giles Porter Remington New Model and Pettengill Revolvers 1862-1875.
GRC Unknown Remington New Model .44 Revolvers.
HBJ H.B. Johnson Remington Beals Navy Revolver 1862.
JTB James T. Baden Lt., USA Remington, Starr and Savage Revolvers 1862-1864.
JWK John W. Kelly Lt., USN Remington and Starr .44 Revolvers 1853-1864.
JWR James W. Reilly Maj., USA Remington .44 Revolvers 1859-1895.
OWA O.W. Ainsworth, Colt M 1873 SAA Revolvers # 179 to 14xxx, Smith & Wesson N0.3 .44 M1869, Remington and Colt Percussion and Conversion Revolvers, Colt Gatling Guns 1831-1870.
RPB R.P. Barry Capt., USA Remington, Starr, Rogers & Spencer Revolvers 1860-1865.
SC Silas Crispin Capt., USA Remington M1861 Revolvers 1862.
WAT William anderson Thornton Capt., USA Nippes M1840 Musket, Ames, Aston R. Johnson & Waters Pistols and Massachusetts Arms Adams, Remington Beals, Savage, Colt, Paterson, Walker and Dragoon Revolvers, Joslyn Carbines, Colt Revolving Rifles 1840-1861.
WC William Cadwell Remington Beals .44 Percussion Revolvers 1860-1861.
These are the inspectors that handled Remington c&b revolvers in .44
I attached the full list in case someone else should want it
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Ryden
Re: Reading faint cartouche
No dice 
Not even under 80X was there any trace of lettering inside the cartouche, just the faint outline.
@ 20X
@ 40X
Not even under 80X was there any trace of lettering inside the cartouche, just the faint outline.
@ 20X
@ 40X
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Ryden
Re: Reading faint cartouche
Plan B - The outline
My S/N is 37474
Which inspectors handled this consignement?
The outline is quite conspicuous, it's the middle section of a circle.
I've not seen that shape yet in pictures, Ainsworth's and C.G. Chandler's cartouches have a rectangle with radiused corners and I've seen an oval one as well somewhere.
Does the shape ring a bell?
My S/N is 37474
Which inspectors handled this consignement?
The outline is quite conspicuous, it's the middle section of a circle.
I've not seen that shape yet in pictures, Ainsworth's and C.G. Chandler's cartouches have a rectangle with radiused corners and I've seen an oval one as well somewhere.
Does the shape ring a bell?
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Mike Strietbeck
Re: Reading faint cartouche
Remington New Model Army Revolver, S/N 37474 is estimated to have a manufacturing date of September 1863. The serial number range for that month is estimated to be 34525 - 37825. The Principal Sub-Inspector at that time was Benjamin Hannis, who had replaced C.G. Curtis in early 1863. His cartouche was the letters "BH" in script within the standard border of two parallel horizontal lines and two opposing curved vertical lines.
One word of caution concerning the internet search for identifying the inspectors and their cartouches, the information shown in your question is outdated adnd newer research by Don Ware in his book on Remington Large Frame Revolvers is much more accurate.
Hope this helps in your quest, and please accept my invitation to join the Remington Society of America. Each new membership allows us to print the quarterly Journal that has contained information of this type for more than 25 years.
Best regards,
Mike Strietbeck
RemShots
One word of caution concerning the internet search for identifying the inspectors and their cartouches, the information shown in your question is outdated adnd newer research by Don Ware in his book on Remington Large Frame Revolvers is much more accurate.
Hope this helps in your quest, and please accept my invitation to join the Remington Society of America. Each new membership allows us to print the quarterly Journal that has contained information of this type for more than 25 years.
Best regards,
Mike Strietbeck
RemShots
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Ryden
Re: Reading faint cartouche
A belated thanks Mike! I'll have to get me that book for sure.