I just got (cheap) a model 14 in 35 rem. That has had a rough life. Both the barrel and receiver have been swiss cheesed with holes to mount various scopes. Some holes plugged very well and some with normal plug screws. On the side of the barrel are the letters PNN3 hand stamped. Caliber plug in the receiver says 32 rem, but barrel and mag tube both say 35 Rem. The receiver also has the cut out for the thumbnail safety but the 35 rem bolt does not have that feature. The trigger guard has the standard push button safety. In any event the stock was cut off short and a vintage Winchester red pad was installed. Also there is a small wood screw on top of the grip about 1 1/2 inches behind the tang sight plug screws in the receiver.
The serial is C64302. I'd like the proper buttstock and buttplate for this mongrel if any one has one for sale.
Please email me directly at rhabraham@owc.net
Thanks
Remington model 14 buttstock and buttplate needed
Re: Remington model 14 buttstock and buttplate needed
I'll try to address some of your questions here on the "forum" so that folks know someone took the time to tell you what you are dealing with.
First of all the PNN3 means it had repairs done at the Remington factory in June of 1944 which I find interesting because if I recall "the factory" was busy doing "stuff" for the military at the time, heaven only knows what they did or why they did it at that period in our history.
The fact your "shell head" is different than the caliber of the rifle is probably less of a mystery in that if you got a split case during firing, the gas could/did blow out the shell head never to be seen again. At some point in time, someone simply replaced the .35 designation with a .32.
Based on serial alone your rifle was "probably" made in 1918.
Now here comes the fun part, based on your description of this piece I would be inclined to say you purchased a "parts gun" in that if the barrel, bolt, stop, action bar, carrier, and maybe even the cover are in decent shape they would be better off finding a home attached to another frame/triggerguard assembly.
...............and yes, I have stocks & buttplates but would have to sell a set to you for a LOT more than you paid for your clunker. I will explain the reasoning here in that I get parts (including stocks) from "everywhere" and some come attched to clunkers. I then "usually" have to clean them up, fix the cracks, match up a buttplate, find proper buttplate screws, and in most cases refinish them.
If that last paragraph doesn't turn you off, it gets better in that "one" Model 14 stock probably won't fit another Model 14. There are some rather substantial differences in the dimensions of the lower receiver (triggerguard assembly) so you can end up with a pretty good metal to wood gap that even a good stock man will find it annoying before coming up with a fit.
It gets better in that along with the above, early stocks won't readily fit later guns because of the hook/lever safety system that extends further back into the stock. There is nothing better than finding a stock that fits, bolt it on, then shuck that slide back, and have it jam up in the stock like a bank vault.
So I took the time to give you some history on your piece while hopefully enlightening you (and perhaps some others) on the countless variations of these great old rifles. If you have one under serial 84,000 no two are identical, replacing parts is a crapshoot, and putting on a replacement stock
is not always easy as it might seem.
I could go on.............and on.........but why, I have been blabby enough.
Hope this is of some help & interest.
Jim Peterson
First of all the PNN3 means it had repairs done at the Remington factory in June of 1944 which I find interesting because if I recall "the factory" was busy doing "stuff" for the military at the time, heaven only knows what they did or why they did it at that period in our history.
The fact your "shell head" is different than the caliber of the rifle is probably less of a mystery in that if you got a split case during firing, the gas could/did blow out the shell head never to be seen again. At some point in time, someone simply replaced the .35 designation with a .32.
Based on serial alone your rifle was "probably" made in 1918.
Now here comes the fun part, based on your description of this piece I would be inclined to say you purchased a "parts gun" in that if the barrel, bolt, stop, action bar, carrier, and maybe even the cover are in decent shape they would be better off finding a home attached to another frame/triggerguard assembly.
...............and yes, I have stocks & buttplates but would have to sell a set to you for a LOT more than you paid for your clunker. I will explain the reasoning here in that I get parts (including stocks) from "everywhere" and some come attched to clunkers. I then "usually" have to clean them up, fix the cracks, match up a buttplate, find proper buttplate screws, and in most cases refinish them.
If that last paragraph doesn't turn you off, it gets better in that "one" Model 14 stock probably won't fit another Model 14. There are some rather substantial differences in the dimensions of the lower receiver (triggerguard assembly) so you can end up with a pretty good metal to wood gap that even a good stock man will find it annoying before coming up with a fit.
It gets better in that along with the above, early stocks won't readily fit later guns because of the hook/lever safety system that extends further back into the stock. There is nothing better than finding a stock that fits, bolt it on, then shuck that slide back, and have it jam up in the stock like a bank vault.
So I took the time to give you some history on your piece while hopefully enlightening you (and perhaps some others) on the countless variations of these great old rifles. If you have one under serial 84,000 no two are identical, replacing parts is a crapshoot, and putting on a replacement stock
is not always easy as it might seem.
I could go on.............and on.........but why, I have been blabby enough.
Hope this is of some help & interest.
Jim Peterson
Jim Peterson
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gastrap
Re: Remington model 14 buttstock and buttplate needed
Thanks for the info, Jim. I'd really enjoy speaking with you in person. I've just recently been "hooked" on these fine little pump rifles. I have a "set" now, a model 12"C", a model 25 in 32-20, This model 14 mutant, and a real nice 14 1/2 in 44-40. The model 14 was cheap and it came from wisconsin where the 35 remington is revered like the ultimate woods cartridge. I got a vintage 3x weaver scope off of it and it came with a real crisp thumbwheel rear sight. I'll probably just leave it as is and try to find a plane clean model 14 somewhere to fill in the gap.
I know very little about these guns but I'm a quick learner and am compiling all the information I can find. One thing that seems to indicate someone or the Factory in '44' changed the caliber is there is no rear firing pin hook in the trigger guard.
You seem to think the serial number says it was built in 1918, the thunmbnail dish on the receiver would tend to agree, no?
The small wood screw behind the receiver is exactly where the rear of the marble tang sight wood screw should have been.
I assume a caliber change to 35 would need a bolt also because of the much larger case head diameter of the 35. That may be why there is the firing pin hook on the bolt and not in the trigger guard assembly.
In any event the Wisconsin backwoods smithy must of had at least 3 different scope mount as there are 2 large 10-32 holes in the left side of the receiver, 2 8-40 holes at an angle in the top of the receiver and barrel and last but not least 5, 6-48 holes that held weaver blocks to the barrel and receiver.
shoot me an email with your phone number if you wouldn't mind me picking your brain some more.
Thanks
Dick
I know very little about these guns but I'm a quick learner and am compiling all the information I can find. One thing that seems to indicate someone or the Factory in '44' changed the caliber is there is no rear firing pin hook in the trigger guard.
You seem to think the serial number says it was built in 1918, the thunmbnail dish on the receiver would tend to agree, no?
The small wood screw behind the receiver is exactly where the rear of the marble tang sight wood screw should have been.
I assume a caliber change to 35 would need a bolt also because of the much larger case head diameter of the 35. That may be why there is the firing pin hook on the bolt and not in the trigger guard assembly.
In any event the Wisconsin backwoods smithy must of had at least 3 different scope mount as there are 2 large 10-32 holes in the left side of the receiver, 2 8-40 holes at an angle in the top of the receiver and barrel and last but not least 5, 6-48 holes that held weaver blocks to the barrel and receiver.
shoot me an email with your phone number if you wouldn't mind me picking your brain some more.
Thanks
Dick
Re: Remington model 14 buttstock and buttplate needed
Brainpicking!!!!
Not sure I like the sound of that, must be some northern thing!
Actually, you need to buy Ken Blauch's book on the Model 14. 14-1/2, and 25.
It has a whole lot more info than we could exchange over the phone in hours or maybe even a year. It is THE BEST source of info on these rifle EVER.
I think your rifle was probably built as a .35, check the top of the bolt I think you will find it stamped as such with a "35". Converting one of these guns from a 32 to a 35 would have been stupid and it would have cost a whole lot less to just go out and buy one.
Jim
Not sure I like the sound of that, must be some northern thing!
Actually, you need to buy Ken Blauch's book on the Model 14. 14-1/2, and 25.
It has a whole lot more info than we could exchange over the phone in hours or maybe even a year. It is THE BEST source of info on these rifle EVER.
I think your rifle was probably built as a .35, check the top of the bolt I think you will find it stamped as such with a "35". Converting one of these guns from a 32 to a 35 would have been stupid and it would have cost a whole lot less to just go out and buy one.
Jim
Jim Peterson
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gastrap
Re: Remington model 14 buttstock and buttplate needed
Already bought it. Just waiting for it to arrive. Thanks. Didn't mean to be a bother, just trying to learn.