I think we will all agree on one thing, damn nice piece!!!
I have two carbines in this serial range (one a 14, the other a 14-1/2), both have original pistol grip stocks. One has all matching serials, the other has a matching upper/lower receiver with the stock & butt plate having different but matching serials which seems to be more common.
Your carbine is an example of what I have been preaching over the years in "that no two of these guns are identical" and "Remington hardly ever threw anything away" and thus the TNS bolt. While you are checking the serials on the stock & BP you might check the top of the bolt and see if just maybe they put a serial on it as well. They put serials on many of the 14-1/2 bolts and it has been suggested that they put serials on the bolts of special order guns. I have at least one TNS bolt with a serial on it.
I think the two masters of production info (Hemphill & Blauch) will tell you that
most carbines starting at about 82,000ish came with pistol grip stocks but they would supply a carbine stock upon request but again they probably shipped "some" regular production with carbine stocks.
Kindest regards!
Jim
Pistol grip on model 14-R stock
Re: Pistol grip on model 14-R stock
Jim Peterson
Re: Pistol grip on model 14-R stock
Martin!
I still say it's a darn nice little gun!
Hard to tell from the pictures but it looks like factory blue, a hands on inspection could tell for sure and add some credence to it being factory assembled with mixed numbers/parts. If it has been reblued I would tend to think it had been assembled from parts but none of us will ever know for sure.
What is for sure is that unmatched upper/lower receivers are not that uncommon and mismatched serials on the stock/butt plate are very common (but far less common in that serial range). If the blue is for real, the fit of the metal is as it should be, and the fit of the stock to the lower receiver is as it should be then it has my vote for being a factory piece.
I am curious as to what the serial is on the lower receiver (triggerguard assembly) and if it has a hook/lever safety system in it. TNS bolts as a rule did not utilize the firing pin extension or "hook" that would mate with a lever system in the TG assembly. Guns made in the serial range of your frame would have had this system along with a "washer" installed in the top/inside of the frame.
None of these variations detract from the fact it's a desirable piece but rather a search for information.........LOL, this is the type variation is one of the things that makes these rifles/carbines so interesting
Jim
I still say it's a darn nice little gun!
Hard to tell from the pictures but it looks like factory blue, a hands on inspection could tell for sure and add some credence to it being factory assembled with mixed numbers/parts. If it has been reblued I would tend to think it had been assembled from parts but none of us will ever know for sure.
What is for sure is that unmatched upper/lower receivers are not that uncommon and mismatched serials on the stock/butt plate are very common (but far less common in that serial range). If the blue is for real, the fit of the metal is as it should be, and the fit of the stock to the lower receiver is as it should be then it has my vote for being a factory piece.
I am curious as to what the serial is on the lower receiver (triggerguard assembly) and if it has a hook/lever safety system in it. TNS bolts as a rule did not utilize the firing pin extension or "hook" that would mate with a lever system in the TG assembly. Guns made in the serial range of your frame would have had this system along with a "washer" installed in the top/inside of the frame.
None of these variations detract from the fact it's a desirable piece but rather a search for information.........LOL, this is the type variation is one of the things that makes these rifles/carbines so interesting
Jim
Jim Peterson
Re: Pistol grip on model 14-R stock
Martin!
62,000+ is the range of serials for TNS (thumbnail safety) rifles & carbines so that makes sense and after sending you the last email I looked at the pics again and there is no doubt it was cobbled together. It's still a nice carbine and if they took the bolt, stop, lower receiver, and possibly the action bar from the older gun it probably works like a champ. To that end, if the wood is a good fit they probably left it with the lower and that's why it fits so well.
Fascinating stuff!
Behave!
Jim
62,000+ is the range of serials for TNS (thumbnail safety) rifles & carbines so that makes sense and after sending you the last email I looked at the pics again and there is no doubt it was cobbled together. It's still a nice carbine and if they took the bolt, stop, lower receiver, and possibly the action bar from the older gun it probably works like a champ. To that end, if the wood is a good fit they probably left it with the lower and that's why it fits so well.
Fascinating stuff!
Behave!
Jim
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Re: Pistol grip on model 14-R stock
I totally agree with Jim about no two are alike. I have seen about 50/50 on the straight and semi-pistol grip on the carbines. I have a "C" grade checkered front and rear semi-pistol grip with all matching #'s on the gun in .25 Rem. that is totaly correct.