I recently acquired a 121 in very good condition.The barrel has C TT stamped on it,so if I'm correct it was made in april 1948.
The stock is a pistolgrip with a curved buttstock but all the pictures I've seen this rifle should have a strait stock?Did any 121's come like this or did someone replace it with a model 12 stock?
121 Stock ?
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Jay Huber
I think you have it backwards. As I recall the 12 A were advertised showing a straight stock. When Dupont switched to the 121A they advertised it as having a pistol grip stock. I think you could probably order either one with straight or pistol grip. The 12 C came with a pistol grip standard. Jay Huber RSA
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Lonnie Patterson
M/121
Your M/121 is probably near serial # 77,000??? I haven't seen another 121 with a stock like you describe. I am quite sure that Remington had run out of M/12 stocks long before 1948, so I doubt that they would have had any on hand. One could order custom features, but they would normally be inlays, engraving, swivels, etc. Perhaps someone just fitted the stock to an old butt plate? The 121 stocks are considerably thicker than the ones on the 12.
Just another Remington mystery...
John Gyde
Just another Remington mystery...
John Gyde
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Jay Huber
M/121
Lonnie:
Serial numbers on the M/121 only go to slightly above 200,000. The 415,1XX # would mean you have a M/12 made in or around 1917. Remington did offer some replacement barrels for Model 12s. They would install the barrel and make adjustments to the fore-ends for under $10.00. I wonder if you have one of these Hybrids??? I have two. One was done in 1945 and carries that barrel code date. The other is unmarked.
John
Serial numbers on the M/121 only go to slightly above 200,000. The 415,1XX # would mean you have a M/12 made in or around 1917. Remington did offer some replacement barrels for Model 12s. They would install the barrel and make adjustments to the fore-ends for under $10.00. I wonder if you have one of these Hybrids??? I have two. One was done in 1945 and carries that barrel code date. The other is unmarked.
John
M/121
In reading my previous comments, I noticed I didn't make one thing clear. When Remington offered the replacement barrels, they were round and from the M/121. Remington had run out of M/12 barrels by the 40s. I puzzled over the first one I got because of the serial # and the longer round barrel. And... the barrel had a lot more blue than the receiver. The second one is a Rem Spec with a round barrel (also from M/121 inventory). In both cases, Remington installed the old rear sight on the new barrel. They were the short sight with the screw elevation feature. Neither are stamped M/121. My M/12 with the barrel replaced in 1945 does have a barrel code followed by a "3" indicating it went back to the factory.
I'll bet Lonnie's gun has a round, replacement barrel.
John Gyde
I'll bet Lonnie's gun has a round, replacement barrel.
John Gyde
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Lonnie Patterson
The barrel is 24" long.After the C TT there is some sort of letter/symbol? I can't really make out,kinda looks like a bottom half of a star?On the other side of the barrel is a sideways Y stamped on it.It is also stamped Remington Arms Co,INC,Ilion NY Made in USA and has the 3 patents.
The lower tang seems to fit perfectly to the stock.The rifle doesn't have 121 marked on it anywhere,I assumed it was a 121 by the C TT on he barrel.
The rifle is pretty accurate but has a real heavy trigger.Has anyone ever lightened the trigger pull on one of these?
The lower tang seems to fit perfectly to the stock.The rifle doesn't have 121 marked on it anywhere,I assumed it was a 121 by the C TT on he barrel.
The rifle is pretty accurate but has a real heavy trigger.Has anyone ever lightened the trigger pull on one of these?
M/12
Lonnie:
The barrel stamp and length is consistent with M/121 markings. The additional stamp might be a "3". Sometimes they die hit the metal a bit off center and the imprint is hard to read. The buttstock fits because it is probably original to the rifle. If the butt plate has Rem UMC stamped on the bottom you most certainly have a factory added barrel. The Rem UMC era ended before the M/121 (Rem Arms Co) began. If the buttstock & barrel have diffent Company markings, they were made in different times, and technically by a company with different ownership.
I have not tried to lighted the trigger pull. Some smoothing and polishing might be OK, but I would be careful not to do too much. If your rifle started its life as a M/12, the bearing surface on the bolt is slightly smaller and weaker than that of the M/121. It was increased with the M/121 to handle the newer (at the time) high pressure 22 rf ammo. I would recommend standard velocity ammo in a M/12 if it was going to be shot regularly. It probably isn't necessary, but why put unneeded extra forces on a great gun. I have used the newer WRF ammo in the M/12 Rem Spec with good luck. It is loaded lighter than the old ammo.
Enjoy your rifle.
John Gyde
The barrel stamp and length is consistent with M/121 markings. The additional stamp might be a "3". Sometimes they die hit the metal a bit off center and the imprint is hard to read. The buttstock fits because it is probably original to the rifle. If the butt plate has Rem UMC stamped on the bottom you most certainly have a factory added barrel. The Rem UMC era ended before the M/121 (Rem Arms Co) began. If the buttstock & barrel have diffent Company markings, they were made in different times, and technically by a company with different ownership.
I have not tried to lighted the trigger pull. Some smoothing and polishing might be OK, but I would be careful not to do too much. If your rifle started its life as a M/12, the bearing surface on the bolt is slightly smaller and weaker than that of the M/121. It was increased with the M/121 to handle the newer (at the time) high pressure 22 rf ammo. I would recommend standard velocity ammo in a M/12 if it was going to be shot regularly. It probably isn't necessary, but why put unneeded extra forces on a great gun. I have used the newer WRF ammo in the M/12 Rem Spec with good luck. It is loaded lighter than the old ammo.
Enjoy your rifle.
John Gyde