model 16 ammo substitute
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remington600
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Re: model 16 ammo substitute
Absolutely not!
Re: model 16 ammo substitute
You can shoot only 22 Rem autoloading. Nothing else will work. Nothing else is safe.
Re: model 16 ammo substitute
The guys are right about the ammunition but if you really-really want to shoot it try "RTG Sporting Collectibles" on the internet, he has .22 Remington Auto Green Box for $47.50 ea. and some other higher priced boxes as well. Ray Giles is a fair and decent guy to do business with, I have known him forever and have purchased a lot of hard to find stuff from him.
Regards!
Jim
Regards!
Jim
Jim Peterson
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remington600
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Re: model 16 ammo substitute
No I have to say it was resolved. Don't shoot anything other then 22 Remington autos from your model 16 case closed. You keep trying to modify things someone will eventually be pulling metal fragments from your face. You want a standard 22 rifle buy one.
Billy Smith
Billy Smith
Re: model 16 ammo substitute
[quote="RED CAP"]Looks like this topic has petered out. I'd like to re-activate it. I have seen this topic on many different boards for years and its never gotten resolved; the "answer" is always to buy custom/antique cartridges at $1-$2 each or just hang it on a wall. I would propose that SOMEONE at SOME point just set the barrel's threads back an 3/4ths of an inch or so and rechambered the rifle to a regular 22 long cartridge (long, not long rifle) or just sleeved it; the cartridge length is about the same (different by only 32/1000ths), thus the cartridge cutoff and feed would probably be OK; the rim diameter is only 12/1000ths different, so the bolt ought to work. The power level is about the same so only a moderate (if any) recoil spring tweak would be required. The bore is only different by 1/1000ths. We need an old gunsmith to chime in and tell us about this!!!!![/quote]
I'm sorry to be blunt, but it has gotten resolved. You just don't like the resolution.
A gunsmith wrote Remington many years ago for help on converting a M/16 to 22 LR. The answer from Sam Alvis at Remington was detailed as to reasons but included the following..."Frankly we would hate to attempt it in our own laboratory". The bores are not the same. Differences in bullet weight, chamber pressure, bolt mass, etc would cause issues. I realize that you mentioned 22 Long, but the answer is the same.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but it has gotten resolved. You just don't like the resolution.
A gunsmith wrote Remington many years ago for help on converting a M/16 to 22 LR. The answer from Sam Alvis at Remington was detailed as to reasons but included the following..."Frankly we would hate to attempt it in our own laboratory". The bores are not the same. Differences in bullet weight, chamber pressure, bolt mass, etc would cause issues. I realize that you mentioned 22 Long, but the answer is the same.
Re: model 16 ammo substitute
Whoa! Well said John Gyde!!
Another way to look at it would be that you are destroying any collector value by modifying the piece, in the process it might not work, and .22 Longs although "somewhat" available are NOT readily available along with being expensive. So you must ask "what's the point"?
There is a plant in South America that makes specialty rim fire cartridges and over the past twenty years has made some .22 Winchester Auto, .32 Rimfire, and some others but they need a really large order to make it worth their while. Case in point was a few years back the owners of original Henry rifles wanted them to make .44 Henry Rimfire and they couldn't come close to making the minimum order.
So leave the Model 16 alone, maybe in your lifetime they will make a run of your ammo or buy a box of original Remington stuff fresh from an old brick from Ray Giles at RTG Collectibles for $55 just to have it.
Regards!
Jim
Another way to look at it would be that you are destroying any collector value by modifying the piece, in the process it might not work, and .22 Longs although "somewhat" available are NOT readily available along with being expensive. So you must ask "what's the point"?
There is a plant in South America that makes specialty rim fire cartridges and over the past twenty years has made some .22 Winchester Auto, .32 Rimfire, and some others but they need a really large order to make it worth their while. Case in point was a few years back the owners of original Henry rifles wanted them to make .44 Henry Rimfire and they couldn't come close to making the minimum order.
So leave the Model 16 alone, maybe in your lifetime they will make a run of your ammo or buy a box of original Remington stuff fresh from an old brick from Ray Giles at RTG Collectibles for $55 just to have it.
Regards!
Jim
Jim Peterson