Help for a model 4

[joesteve]

Several years ago I was given a model 4 receiver. The owner had bent the barrel, cut it off, thrown away the stock and used it as a pistol!!

I found someone who let me use their stock for a pattern and made a stock and fore grip for it but never got around to finding a barrel (that was before the internet!).
Recently I found it packed away and long forgotten and now Id like to either find a barrel for it--or find it a new home!!

I just recently determined that it is a take down madel (screw type), and I dont have the screw either!!!!

I would appreciate any help anyone could give. thanks,,,,,,,,

[Rich]

How much are you asking for the receiver?

[DavidFagan]

Must be fairly common thing, I bought a "Model 4" pistol sight unseen for $100 bucks on phone call from a friend of a friend. It's still laying around here someplace might not have been a bad deal except the custom pistol grip that was made for it is left handed Don't even look to see the caliber.

[Rich]

Thanks for the reply David.

Yours has the cut off barrel; but, is complete otherwise with the rolling block and hammer?

Are the tangs bent? I wonder if it could be restored? It would be nice if somebody made new barrels and parts for these things.

[ForumAdmin]

Thanks for the reply David.

Yours has the cut off barrel; but, is complete otherwise with the rolling block and hammer?

Are the tangs bent? I wonder if it could be restored? It would be nice if somebody made new barrels and parts for these things.

Yes the barrel is cut I think also a dove for the front site and it's complete, I don't remember anything being bent. I however remember that it was cut, ground, or something the bottom front of the frame, in addition it's condition certainly not something I would spend another dime on. Completely custom made left hand grip with the name Red in it.

I suspect it's a 22 or I still wouldn't have purchased it, I'm just a sucker for 22's. Who else would own a Furter? I'm pretty sure I have the only one that ever made it to this country. If I'm wrong I would like to know, would be very interesting to find another owner...

[Rich]

O.K. I give up. What the heck is a Furter?

And what possessed you to get it? I mean what redeemable qualities does it have?

Also, since your authorship reads "admin" do you have any official or unoffical insight into where I could get a machinist's drawing with dimensions for the 1871 Army rolling block pistol.

I'd like to to try to make the receiver. With proper permission ofcourse.

[DavidFagan]

O.K. I give up. What the heck is a Furter?

And what possessed you to get it? I mean what redeemable qualities does it have?

Also, since your authorship reads "admin" do you have any official or unoffical insight into where I could get a machinist's drawing with dimensions for the 1871 Army rolling block pistol.

I'd like to to try to make the receiver. With proper permission ofcourse.

A furter is a competition single shot 22 made in the 50's in Alton Switzerland by a guy named furter, he's still around as well as a shop named after him but not owned by any relatives.
It's just one heck of a neat 22....

As for Admin, well I'm the one who does this site posting as admin was an opps. I don't have any dimensions I suspect the patent(s) are in the gallery but I doubt they will help for that.

[Rich]

Furter - Classy.

Swiss... something to be said for neutrality and putting money and energy into making things. Precision things. Good philosophy on guns too. Have 'em, but never get in a situation where you need them.

Machinist's drawings - Guess I'll just have wing it. If I ever get time and material to make a receiver.

Or, if joesteve ever reads these postings... maybe, since he was "given" his model four... maybe, he will "give it a new home" to me ...for a nonimal fee. Then I could take my micrometer and take some measuresments.

The model 4 frame is probably a little big compared to 1871 Army; although when experimenting, a little extra beefiness might be a saftey factor.

[DavidFagan]

Well back when I had time I did make a handgun, it's a slide action internal hammer, that part alone took me at least 3 years to design and build. The trigger is integral to the slide and the reverse action pushing it actually does the cocking. There's really not much to the rest of the gun and not enough interest in taking the "primitive" of it and finishing it. Making a real frame that would accept a magazine would be next, guess I'm just sticking with my single shot until I get old and bored.

[Rich]

Very impressive. Maybe I sould start calling you JB for John Browing Jr.

I take it you make your living plying the computer trade? Does this list make you money or is this a labor of love?

So what kind of steel did you get ahold of to make your handgun out of?
Did you make the barrel too? That is the part that I am most intimidated by. I am still trying to figure out how I can use a standard lathe to do rifling in a barrel. The only thing I can figure to do is to mount the barrel in the chuck, bore it, and then mount a rod and bouche on the cross slide. Not real sure that I can step down the feed rate to accomodate something like a 9:1 twist feed. Only time will tell.

[DavidFagan]

Very impressive. Maybe I sould start calling you JB for John Browing Jr.

I take it you make your living plying the computer trade? Does this list make you money or is this a labor of love?

So what kind of steel did you get ahold of to make your handgun out of?
Did you make the barrel too? That is the part that I am most intimidated by. I am still trying to figure out how I can use a standard lathe to do rifling in a barrel. The only thing I can figure to do is to mount the barrel in the chuck, bore it, and then mount a rod and bouche on the cross slide. Not real sure that I can step down the feed rate to accomodate something like a 9:1 twist feed. Only time will tell.

Yes all I do is computers and storage, 1000's of machines and PB's of storage.
Labor of love...

All I can say is any material in the world is available at my fingertips for the asking.
So as I mentioned the rest of the gun is proto the barrel is currently brass, when I get
around to it, I'll take one of my spare 10/22 barrels and do whatever it takes. I wouldn't attempt a barrel and rifling.