Need help with shotgun identification

[lzolla]

Hi folks,

This is my first post on the forum. I am primarily a handgun shooter, and a bit unfamiliar with shotguns. I inherited a Remington shotgun from my grandfather when he passed away approx 13 years ago. I remember that he had it when I was younger ( 1970's ) It is a 16 gauge side by side. It has a double trigger. It has no other markings except Remington Arms Co. The serial number is Q382461. The gun is very plain, but in extremely good condition.

I searched the web, and found info on similar guns made for Remington in Russia, but the timeline doesn't seem right for this gun.

I am primarily interested in

1. What model # is it
2. When and where was it manufactured
3. Approx. worth

Thanks in advance to anyone with some info

Larry

[DavidFagan]

Sounds like a model 1900, but then again I don't know beans about shotguns

[Researcher]

Your gun is indeed a Model 1900. According to the table in Charles Semmer's book on Remington doubles your gun was in early 1910. They were made at the Remington factory in Ilion, New York. They were manufactured under the same two patents as the higher grade Model 1894, Patent No. 528,507 and 528,508 both granted Oct. 30, 1894. By 1910 Remington had seen where the shotgun money was to be made with their John M. Browning designed Autoloading Gun and their John D. Pedersen designed pump gun, so they sold their entire inventory of break-action shotguns to Norvell-Shapleigh Hardware Co. of St Louis.

The Model 1900 was also known as the K-Grade, and there were four versions -- the K-Grade with Remington Steel barrels and an extractor, the KE-Grade with Remington Steel barrels and selective automatic ejectors, the KD-Grade with two-stripe Damascus barrels and an extractor, and finally the KED-Grade with two-stripe Damascus barrels and selective automatic ejectors.

The Model 1900 was made in both 12- and 16-gauge. The great bulk of them were 12-gauges, so nowadays the 16-gauges drag more money. As to value, everything depends on condition and originality and those cannot be assessed without the gun in hand.

[lzolla]

Researcher,

Thanks for your quick and informative reply. After some research today, I am now much more familiar with the model 1900 Shotgun that I have. I am very excited to own this gun. It is the one thing of value that I was able to keep from my grandfather. It is in such extremely good condition that I was shocked to learn of its age. The bluing is still perfect, literally no scratches, and extremely tight.

It does not have a damascus barrel, so I think I will put a few light birdshot rounds through it, just to get a feel for a 16 gauge( I have only fired 12 gauge guns as a former police officer )

I would like to find a good gunsmith to check it over completely, but they are hard to find in Connecticut. Any suggestions by anyone on the forum would be appreciated.

Anyway, thanks again, and I look forward to learning more on this site and forum

Larry

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[Researcher]

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but from your picture we can tell your gun was badly buffed and reblued by someone not at all knowledgeable with the proper finishes for a vintage double such as yours. If this person infact hot-blued your guns barrels, the salts from the hot blueing solution will be eating away at the solder that holds your barrels and ribs together. The frame of the gun should be color case hardened, not blued. Here are pictures of a fairly high original condition Model 1900 12-gauge KE-Grade of 1906-vintage --



and a pretty nice Model 1900 16-gauge KE-Grade of 1909-vintage --



One of the best double gun smiths in the country, Abe Chaber is in Danbury -- Custom Craft Ltd., 10 Peace St., Danbury, CT 06810, 203-748-1830.