Remington 1858 cylinder info?

[loiner1965]

Just a quick question..... every 1858 I have seen even the reproductions have slots for the hands to index to... the one I have as the usual ratchet system... is this unusual ?
The cylinder is more or less the same size as my pietta 1858 and is interchangeable too and indexes perfect.

[dieNusse1]

A picture would help to determine feature.

[loiner1965]

Will sort one out and post asap......tomorrow

[loiner1965]

Here is the cylinder
It fits and indexes perfectly in a pietta 1858

[Patbar]

Your photos are way too bad to be able to answer your question !

[loiner1965]

Pietta and original 1858 cylinder side by side showing different indexing system
Original cylinder fitted in my pietta 1858 perfectly and timing is spot on

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[Patbar]

First, I must say that most people are wrong when they speak of the "Remington 1858". As a matter of fact, the replica that is made nowadays is of the "1863 New Model Army" (or Navy if in .36 caliber).

The 1858 date refers only to a patent attributed to a guy named Fordyce Beals which applied to the cylinder pin being retained by the loading lever. This was used first on the Remington-Beals Pocket Model in .31 caliber.

After that, Beals designed the Remington-Beals Army and Navy Models which were produced from 1861 to 1862. In 1862, the Remington 1861 Army and Navy Models appeared, and in 1863 came the perfected Remington NEW Model Army and Navy.

The differences between the Beals, 1861 and 1863 models are minor and found essentially in the shape of the loading lever, cylinder and base pin.

All this to say that my guess is that your cylinder could come from a Remington-Beals revolver if it used a ratchet system (I have never seen this model except on photos) . However, there is something that doesn' fit because this model did not have safety slots and yours has. In any case, it can't be from a 1861 or 1863 model as the cylinder of these two models were identical except for the safety slots which were not existing on the 1861.

[loiner1965]

Hi
Many thanks for replying .
I only call it 1858 as most people know them as that but they were known as old army or new army .
I thought about the Beals version myself but as you say it’s just minor differences like loading lever and cylinder pin .
Sure it as the same slot indexing system too .
They will be a simple explanation but as yet I cannot find anything on the internet .
I will keep searching lol
Edit ….. just seen a beals cylinder on line and as you say it doesn’t have safety slots but as the slot indexing system so it’s not from one of those
Many thanks once again