Model 141 / Pricing / Gun Auction Sites

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Model 141 / Pricing / Gun Auction Sites

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When I have nothing to do I get on the "forum" and try to provide worthwhile information/opinion as it pertains to the Model 14/141 marketplace.

Many (most) sellers on the internet don't have a clue about the differences between a 14 or 141 and this includes Numrich. You see sellers everywhere trying to sell bolts saying its for a 14/141 when its obviously an early 14 bolt that won't work in later 14's and won't even fit into a 141...............and it doesn't stop there.

Here's my take on the pricing for a Model 141:

If the seller states "needs to be checked by a competent gunsmith" deduct $100
(Maybe 3% of gunsmiths have ever seen a Model 141, much less worked on one)

If the rifle has a recoil pad on it deduct $100 from the asking price!
If the rifle has a compass in the stock deduct $100 from the asking price!
If it has been drilled for a receiver sight deduct $50.
If it has been drilled for a scope on the side (3-4 holes) deduct $100.
If it has been drilled for a scope on the top of the frame (3-4 holes) deduct $100.
If its been drilled for a scope with one mount on the barrel don't buy the damn thing!
If the rear (barrel) sight is missing deduct $75.

Now here is where we get into "quality" as it pertains to the workmanship as it left the factory, all 141's were not the same. This based on close to 50 years of collecting and repairing them.

Serials below 40,000 no deduction from asking price.
Serial 40,000-50,000 deduct 10%
Serial 50,000-60,000 deduct 15%
Serial 60,000-70,000 deduct 20%
Serial 70,000 & up deduct 25% but I would run away from it as fast as you can.
(Yeah, they might look good on the outside but the totally suck inside with the quality of workmanship bordering on crude)

If the rifle comes with a tang sight that's a plus only you can judge.
If the rifle comes with a receiver sight, ditto.
If the rifle comes with a scope and you want a scope then that would be a plus!
(make sure the scope is usable & that the barrel hasn't been drilled)

NOTE: I have a copy of a Remington internal memo dated 1937 expressing concern
over Model 14 barrels being drilled for various reasons, less concern over 141
barrels because they were "more substantial/made from higher quality steel".

If the seller doesn't offer a 3 or 5 day return,you are taking a big chance. They need to say that the rifle "loads, feeds, fires, and ejects properly" and not "have it checked by a competent gunsmith" or "Sold AS-IS". Those are some "RED FLAGS" for sure.

Finding parts for these guns has become VERY expensive, finding someone to repair one of these rifles is almost impossible, and very costly. One last comment is that "after market" swivels come in all sizes, shapes, and forms that usually mess up the stock, magazine ring/magazine.....something else to avoid.

Jim Peterson
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Re: Model 141 / Pricing / Gun Auction Sites

Post by 54bullseye »

Thanks for the info Jim I have noticed a lot of junk out there !! Thanks John Taylor
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