RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

Post by karu »

Hi C44L,
I have some informations for you :

Belt SA Model # 6012
(Serial number on frame and trigger guard has to be confirmed)
.36 caliber,
Round cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Finish unknown (the revolver saw heavy use, was heavily cleaned and badly restored),
Wood grips,
Stamps :
« J » on the upper rear portion of the trigger guard (left side),
« N » in front of the lever latch post.

Observation :
Some Belt revolvers has a hole in the handle (where the main spring is maintened by a through screw) but not that one.
I sold it some years ago but I can contact the new owner for more informations and photos, if you need.

I purchased a new one, #1069 and I can already give you some caracteristics waiting for its delivery for more details.

Belt SA Model # 1069
(Serial number on frame and trigger guard has to be confirmed)
.36 caliber,
Round cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Blue Finish,
Wood grips,
Stamps :
« C » on the frame (under the percussion shield),
« C » on the upper rear portion of the trigger guard (left side).

Observation :
no hole in the handle - N°26 stamped on the left panel grip.

I hope it will help you.
Karu
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karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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« Cerise sur le gâteau »
Rider DA Model # 821 - sold in France recently

# 821 (all matching number)
.36 caliber,
Fluted cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
German silver cone,
Barrel adress in 2 lines
Blue Finish ?,
Wood grips,
Stamps :
No stamps are visible

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Observation : more photos and description
https://www.aiolfi.com/vente/2269-autom ... le-action/

Voilà,
Karu
karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Another Belt SA Model from the same auction in France.

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Belt SA Model
# 3250 (all matching number)
Percussion .36 caliber,
Rounded cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Blue Finish,
Wood grips,
Stamps :
« C » on the frame (under the percussion shield),
« C » on the upper rear portion of the trigger guard (left side).

I'm done for today.. :)
Karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Hi CALIBRE44,
Another one Belt SA Model (from a French forum member on « Blackpowderonly »).

Belt SA Model
# 1557 (all matching number ; barrel-frame-trigger guard)
Percussion .36 caliber,
Rounded cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Blue Finish,
Wood grips,
Stamps :
« U » in front of the lever latch post,
« C » on the frame under the percussion shield (left side),
« C » on the upper rear portion of the trigger guard (left side),
« W « at the back of the cylinder.

Observation : hole in the backstrap (for the main spring screw).

Greetings,
Karu
karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Hi,
A new one will be for sale in 2 days in Paris.
It's a DA model and the serial number seems to be #57.

Rider DA Model
# 57 ??,
Rimfire .38 caliber,
Rounded cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Nickeled/gold Finish ??,
Pearl grips,
Stamps : ??

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All matching numbers!
This DA received a special finish which may explain the serial number..?
Do you think it was factory engraved?

Thanks,
Karu
Henry II
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Photograph of my .36 Rider DA, serial number 1783
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Artem
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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karu wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:18 pm Hi,
A new one will be for sale in 2 days in Paris.
It's a DA model and the serial number seems to be #57.

Rider DA Model
# 57 ??,
Rimfire .38 caliber,
Rounded cylinder,
Barrel 6 ½",
Blade sight,
Barrel adress in 3 lines,
Nickeled/gold Finish ??,
Pearl grips,
Stamps : ??


Rider #57.jpg
rider #57 2.jpg
Rider #57 3.jpg
342 (2).JPG
342 (1).JPG
342.jpg

All matching numbers!
This DA received a special finish which may explain the serial number..?
Do you think it was factory engraved?

Thanks,
Karu
Hi, do you have a photo of the Remington-Rider DA mechanism?
karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

Post by karu »

Hi Artem,
No I'm sorry!
I don't have a DA model.
I'm curious about it's mechanism but like you, I can't find any picture on the net..
Maybe someone could put a diagram?

karu
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
Size comparison with the 1858 New Army
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
Main spring works the other way around compared to the 1858 Army.58, i.e. the spring is pulled up when cocking. Spring is stuck in at the back and held in place by a screw (from the back)
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
Mechanism recess seen from under. There's a rod going half way through the recess, for the release arm to be forced against
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
The trigger doesn't work directly on the hammer sears. Trigger got a cradle for the hand and push thingie. See next post.
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
The trigger cradle has the bolt on the right hand side and the hammer pusher on the left side, three items on one screw (plus the hand with its spring).
The pusher is in the lower right hand corner of this picture
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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Mechanism
Hammer got one hinged push rod with sears at the bottom, and on that rod is also hinged the main spring pulling rod (to the left in picture).
The sears rod goes behind the half-way-through rod seen in picture Mech3.jpg above. The half-way-rod prevents the trigger-pusher to slip off the sears rod.
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Re: RESEARCH PROJECT: BELT/RYDER REVOLVERS

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From a scientific mechanical theory point of view, the working lever length, between the pushing rod axis and the hammer axis, is very short, which expains the heavy trigger pull.
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