Remington 1894 B, 10 Gauge

[BillK]

Good evening Forum members. I was wondering if you can be kind and advise me when a Remington model 1894, 10 gauge with serial #117301 and 32" damascus barrels was made.
Thank you in advance.
BillK

[admin]

Good evening Forum members. I was wondering if you can be kind and advise me when a Remington model 1894, 10 gauge with serial #117301 and 32" damascus barrels was made.
Thank you in advance.
BillK

I actually don't have Semmer book, but I think 1900.
If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me

[dieNusse1]

You are correct -- 1900 it is according to the Semmer book.

[BillK]

Thank you gentlemen. How do I research to verify if the gun is in its original configuration? Does the book provide that information?
BillK

[dieNusse1]

The 10 Ga was offered in 30 & 32" barrels. Since yours measures 32" it has not been shortened which is a common change to these guns due to damaged barrels. It should be easy to compare the S/N on barrels, action body, trigger guard, stock (under trigger guard tang), forearm iron and forearm wood to determine whether they match. I assume they will match which indicates original configuration.

Enjoy.

[Researcher]

If you are looking at the one Mertz has had for sale for years, that isn't an original stock.

[BillK]

Good evening. No, it is not. I actually won it at an auction on Saturday, however I do not have it in my hands yet. I will post pictures once I receive it. This would be my first 10 gauge. Some forum members here and at the Parker society had good things to say about the short 10 gauges and the Remington guns. I am looking forward to learning more about them and would appreciate your expert knowledge and advice.
I also recently became the owner on a Remington 12 gauge grade 2 model 1889.
BillK

[dieNusse1]

BillK -- you really need to purchase a copy of Charles Semmer's book "Remington Double Shotguns" which should be available on this site. The book covers all models from the early lifters through the end of production of the 1889, 1894 and 1900 in 1910.

As Charles left this world for greener pastures not too long ago, I'm not sure how to order the book but there should be someone out there who can help.

[BillK]

I finally received my Remington 1894 B Grade 10-gauge. Below are pics of it.
Barrels are 32", in excellent condition. The bottom of the lug is marked 68 and 34
What do you think?




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[dieNusse1]

Great looking gun!

As for the numbers on the lug, these indicate degree of choke. A leading 3 is assumed. In the case of 12 Ga, Remington used 1 1/4 oz of Tateman & Bros. #8 shot fired at a 30" circle at 40 yds. As 1 1/4 oz of Tateman & Bros. shot contained 511 pellets, 368/511 = 72% and 334/511 = 65% or full and imp. modified. Whether this is true for 10 Ga I don't know. Maybe someone out there has a 10 Ga hang tag which indicates load used when determining choke.

[BillK]

Thank you very much for your reply.
Bill K

[Researcher]

As I said on the PGCA site, congrats on a great find.

[dieNusse1]

Bill - for what it's worth, I have an Ithaca 10 Ga hang tag which states 1 1/4 oz was used to determine choke. Although the same shot wasn't used perhaps there was some standardization of loads during this period when industrial standards were beginning to be established.

[paul harm]

I have a 82 10ga. You'll have to roll your own. Buy new, empty, primed Remington 10ga hulls from BPI - about $44/100. Cut them down to 2 7/8. Wads can be bought from them - also get the 1/2" paper cushion wad to put in the plastic wad. A Mec 600jr works great. For target work I use any 12ga load that's under 9000psi - you'll have less in the 10 because of the larger chamber. For hunting loads go to www.parkergun.org - in the reloading forum there's many tested loads. If I can be of any help you can email me at - bladesmith46@hotmail.com - good luck - Paul

[Researcher]

As far as I know a hang tag for a Remington Arms Co. 10-gauge double has not come to light. However, the heaviest 10-gauge loads Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered in 1900, the year the gun in question was probably made, was 3 3/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder pushing 1 1/4 ounces of shot out of their TRAP shell. A few years later UMC sped up the 10-gauge loads a bit with up to 4 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 34 grains of dense smokeless powder pushing that same 1 1/4 ounce of shot out of their ARROW shell.