I have a 94 C grade with etole damascus barrels ser# p432359 I would like to know the date of manufacture, also used a bore gauge and to my suprise it has 3 inch chambers, is this somthing that was done at the factory or has somebody lenghtened them?
Thank you Jim
1984 c grade
I think you are saying you have an 1894 Remington C grade Double barrel shotgun with Damascus brls? ( not 1984 ) Your serial number does not fit into any of the charts I have. Are you sure you recorded it right? As to the 3 inch chambers, i believe this was done after the factory. The longest Remington did was 2 3/4" by end of production in 1910. I will await your reply. Jay Huber RSA
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I think you are reading the stylized 1 in the serial number engraving on the trigger guard as a 4. P132359 would have been made about 1905. The P was a Remington Arms Co. stock letter for Model 1894 doubles.
At the time youyr gun was made, UMC, the ammunition branch of the M. Hartley empire, offered paper 12-gauge shells from the standard 2 5/8 inch length to 3 1/4 inches long in 1/8 inch increments. Many of the competitive shooters of the day, Pigeon and/or inanimate targets, ordered their guns bored for these longer shells. We find these kind of orders regularly in the surviving Parker Bros. and even occassionally in the A.H. Fox Gun Co. records. However, with no Remington records for the Model 1894s surviving it is very tough to say. It sould be remembered that the longer shells of that period did not carry a heavier load, but more and better wadding to provide a better gas seal -- 3 1/2 dram equiv. and 1 1/4 ounce of shot was the heaviest smokeless powder loads offered, and generally the 3 1/4 dram equiv. 1 1/4 ounce load was considered a better balanced load.
Most 12-gauge Model 1894s and Model 1900s I've examined have 2 5/8 inch chambers, and some of the surviving hang tags mention the gun being targetted with a 2 5/8 inch shell. When Remington Arms Co. introduced the Remington Autoloading Gun in the 1905-6 time frame, they made a point to state that it was intended for 2 3/4 inch shells.
If you could post some pictures of the gun, especially of the markings on the barrel flats, barrel lug, the bottom of the barrels between the flats and the forearm lug, perhaps we could tell you more.
At the time youyr gun was made, UMC, the ammunition branch of the M. Hartley empire, offered paper 12-gauge shells from the standard 2 5/8 inch length to 3 1/4 inches long in 1/8 inch increments. Many of the competitive shooters of the day, Pigeon and/or inanimate targets, ordered their guns bored for these longer shells. We find these kind of orders regularly in the surviving Parker Bros. and even occassionally in the A.H. Fox Gun Co. records. However, with no Remington records for the Model 1894s surviving it is very tough to say. It sould be remembered that the longer shells of that period did not carry a heavier load, but more and better wadding to provide a better gas seal -- 3 1/2 dram equiv. and 1 1/4 ounce of shot was the heaviest smokeless powder loads offered, and generally the 3 1/4 dram equiv. 1 1/4 ounce load was considered a better balanced load.
Most 12-gauge Model 1894s and Model 1900s I've examined have 2 5/8 inch chambers, and some of the surviving hang tags mention the gun being targetted with a 2 5/8 inch shell. When Remington Arms Co. introduced the Remington Autoloading Gun in the 1905-6 time frame, they made a point to state that it was intended for 2 3/4 inch shells.
If you could post some pictures of the gun, especially of the markings on the barrel flats, barrel lug, the bottom of the barrels between the flats and the forearm lug, perhaps we could tell you more.
Researcher is giving you good information. I have owned and restored 4 FE Trap Grade guns and all were steel barrels and had 2 5/8" chambers. I also have two original Hang Tags from FE Grade guns indicating they were delivered in 2 5/8" chambers from the factory. One is serial number#133651 (1906) ( I own this gun and have restored and shoot it) The other FE tag is for #!34939 (1907). I also have a CE Driven Bird Gun with P 134659(1907) Ordnance Steel Barrels. with 3 1/4" chambers and the left barrel is so stamped. The stamping dies do not match Remington number dies which leads me to believe they were done after leaving the factory. I have never seen a 3 inch or higher chambered gun that I thought came from the factory, however I qualify this statement after many years of Remington factory research by saying NEVER SAY NEVER when it comes to Remington. Jay Huber RSA
Sre# is P 132359 bbls marked with a * (star) CP also a JP, just forward of flats there is a large 3 on each with an additional smaller S3 stacked on each other on the left bbl and a smaller s on the right bbl. The lug is stamped with 12560 w front and the shot pattern of 330 left 328 right and a 7 on rear of lug. I can only e-mail pics. do not have the knowledge to post to the net..Thanks Jim Norton
Hi, I have a 1894 C grade made 1901 with 2 7/8 chambers.Stamp just in front of the barrel flats 2 7/8. I checked them with a chamber gage they are right on the money..I have two F traps that have 2 3/4 chambers all my other 94 and 1900 have 2 5/8 chambers that was the standard chamber for Remington Doubles..
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