MODEL 12CF

[idahobart]

I just aquired a rifle Model 12CF. I can't find any info about what the F stands for or any type of value for this gun. It was made in 1924 and has a lot of engraving on it. The condition seems really nice but I don't really know anything about guns so wouldn't know how to grade it. Anybody know what this is? Thanks, Idaho Bart

[remington600]

The F stands for what grade the gun is. You should have a lot of engraving, and hi grade checkered wood. There was 12-A, 12-B, 12-C, 12-D and 12-F. Send me some photos. remington600@att.net. Are you interested in selling?

[idahobart]

I thought those were the model numbers? I.B.

[John Gyde]

The letters "CF" don't sound right. A 12-C is a Model 12 with an Octagon barrel. Yours should be a "12-F" Grade or possibly a "CS-F" Grade. The CS-F would be chambered in .22 Remington Special, not long Rifle. The 12-F would be S, L, LR. Yours probably has a squirrel or two on one side of the receiver and a rabbit or two on the other side. There were also "E" Grades.

Some other clues... The serial # should be engraved (not stamped) on the bottom of the receiver. There might be a pistol grip cap with Remington-UMC stamped on it.

[remington600]

I did forget the Expert grade didn't I. I assumed he just added the C because it had an octagon barrel.

[idahobart]

I JUST PULLED THE RIFLE OUT AGAIN. IT SAYS "MODEL 12 C. F." THE SERIAL NUMBER IS ENGRAVED 63xxx. THE SIDE CODE SAYS DR3 IN WHICH I THINK THAT MEANS MADE IN THE YEAR 1924. THERE ARE TWO RABBITS ENGRAVED ON ONE SIDE AND A SQUIRREL ON THE OTHER SIDE. THERE IS ALSO A LITTLE ENGRAVING ON 7 OF THE 8 SIDES OF THE OCTAGON BARREL. I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND ANY INFO ON MODEL 12's THAT HAVE TWO LETTERS INSTEAD OF JUST ONE. ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEAS? IDAHO BART

[John Gyde]

I have seen quite a few High Grade M/12s & 121s. I have never seen any that give two grades (C & F), but Remington did some odd things. I also have never seen any that have engraving on 7 sides; usually none on the barrel or on the top only.

Your serial # indicates a manufacture date in 1913. The barrel code indicates 1924. A five digit serial # will not have a barrel code!!! Is the DR an inspection or proof stamp? If those letters are one on top of the other, they are not a date code. If they are one in front of the other, they are probably a date code.

Where is the model 12-CF stamped??? On the barrel or receiver? Is it engraved or stamped???

You didn't mention the pistol grip cap. Is there one? What does it say?

It would be great to see the rifle. From your description, I just don't know what you have...

[idahobart]

I don't know if the the DR is inspection or a proof but the letters are in front of each other on the left side of the barrell. The 12 C. F. is stamped on top of the barrell. There isn't a pistol grip cap. I thought the serial number seemed low for a 1924 based on what i found on the web but i'm a real novice here. Maybe one of these days I can figure out how to get some pictures on my computer and into this forum. Any other questions or ideas? IB

[remington600]

Is there a 5 stamped anywhere on the barrel? Since there is no pistol grip cap is there even a pistol grip at all or does it have a straight stock. So far it just sounds to that someone shipped their 12-C back to the factory and asked for F-grade engraving. Im not good with computers either, but a picture says a 1000 words. I think if you click on the post "I HAVE SEVERAL 12s" The best web page designer in the world tells you how to post a picture. Thats how I found out.

[ForumAdmin]

Is there a 5 stamped anywhere on the barrel? Since there is no pistol grip cap is there even a pistol grip at all or does it have a straight stock. So far it just sounds to that someone shipped their 12-C back to the factory and asked for F-grade engraving. Im not good with computers either, but a picture says a 1000 words. I think if you click on the post "I HAVE SEVERAL 12s" The best web page designer in the world tells you how to post a picture. Thats how I found out.

Funny funny... If you can get them on your computer e-mail if that's easier or heck postal mail me the old fashioned kind I'll get them scanned and attached to this post.

[idahobart]

there is no #5 on the barrell. what other differences are there between a model 12 c and an model 12 f other than engraving? how could a barrell date code be so different than the date the serial number indicates? is it possible this barrell came from a different gun? i've taken pictures and will try and get them up tomorrow. i.b.

[remington600]

What is your barrel date code? And if your serial no. is 63xxx I would say it was made well before 1924. The only differance with a 12-C and a 12-F would be the stock, and engraving. The F-grade would have premium wood. The standard 12-C would have no engraving. Is there a NO. 3 stamped on the barrel or on the flat part of the reciever face. There easy to overlook.

[idahobart]

JOHN GYDE SAID IN A PAST, ABOVE POST THAT THE SERIAL NUMBER INDICATES IT WAS MADE IN 1913. THE BARREL DATE CODE IS DR3. I COULD BARELY MAKE OUT THE NUMBER ON THE FLAT PART OF THE RECIEVER FACE. IT IS A 5. I WOULD OF NEVER FOUND IT WITHOUT YOUR PICTURE THAT YOU POSTED. THANKS. WHAT DOES THIS NUMBER 5 MEAN? I.B.

[remington600]

Your gun was sent back and repaired. That is the 3 i was asking about. The DR is the date your rifle was repaired. That answeres why you have a C-F. They must have replaced the barrel with a standard C, and engraved it then stamped an F. The 5 usually stands for a employee sale. Meaning the gun was made up and bought by a Remington employee.

[John Gyde]

[i]Maybe[/i] it was repaired, but I don't think so.... The "3" should be stamped by the barrel code, not on the back of the receiver. I've never seen a stamp there. There are many mysteries on older Remingtons. This will probably remain one of them. I still can't believe Remington stamped 12-CF on the barrel. I've got to believe it happened later.

It sounds to me that the barrel is much newer than the receiver. OK, let's try another test. Does the barrel markings end with "PATENTS PENDING" or "1912"? Before you all get too excited, this will not settle the issue completely, but will be one more big clue.