Model 660 .223

[johnc1895]

I have a model 660 chambered in a .223, It appears that a 3 is stamped over the 2. With that in mind, I sent a request to Remington and was in correspondence with Pete Harding to have the serial # verified, I did not give him the barrel code. His responce to me was that it is indeed a .223 manufactured early in 1968, a very rare find. I checked the barrel code myself and low and behold it too said the barrel was made in April 1968. I also read on this forum a fellow had a 700 VS in a .223 , with the 3 over stamping the 2, also read where the 6.5 mag. had the mag.xxx out. I've had fellow collectors tell me mine is a counterfiet. Well I paid a $150 for it back in the 80's , they appariently didn't make much of a profit. Is there anyone here that can tell me with out a doubt that mine is a fake and that under no circumstance would Remington stamp a 3 over a 2. I've read they used the same sights on most of their rifles to save a buck or was it inventory space. I somehow doubt somebody went to the trouble of getting an early 660 .223 receiver accourding to serial#(very rare) and then finding a .222 barrel with an April 1968 barrel code and rechambering it to a .223 for a whopping $150. Is there really an expert that can give me facts rather than opinions. Otherwise I feel that Pete Harding at Remington Arms Co. would be about as good a reference to the rifle's authenticity as I can get, he does work for the company that made the rifle.

[remington600]

There are no records that indicate what serial number was stamped on what caliber. What he may of done was matched the serial number to a date and the date to when the 660 was produced in the 223. In 1968 200 660s were made in the 223 and none in 1969, and then again in 1970 the 27 were made. By the looks of your three I would say its 99% counterfit. They did not stamp any 6.5 rem mags with XXXs. The XXXs came out on the 6mm Rem Mag, but that is a totally differant story. That had nothing to do with counterfitting. There are so many people that try to pull this over on people, and there are many many more that just like the 223 better than the 222. So they have a rifle they really like and they have it reamed out to a 223. Even though the 80s seem so long ago it would be hard to believe a 660 in the 223 would have sold for $150.00, but you may have been in the right place at the right time. If remington was to do what you are hoping they did they would not of used such a large 3. I also own a Remington 700 in the 6mm Rem Mag, and the mag is XXXed out and they are the same size. I would have to say SORRY its counterfit. Let me know if you find out any other info.

[johnc1895]

Wow! Never have I seen such conviction and certaincy in ones' expertize. remington600 do you base that expertize on the books you authored or just the ones you read. I find it hard to beleave that the countries oldest gun manufacture cannot tell me by the serial# what caliber the rifle was produced, is ATF aware of Remingtons lacking ability to keep records. I know Colt has no trouble telling me what caliber my single action collection was chambered in and who the original purchaser was and the date it left the factory, over a 130 years ago, amazing. Maybe it just another way Remington keeps the overhead down, quess it could be, NOT! Thanks anyway for your OPINION. Owe yes remington600 feel free to read me the qoute out of one of those books that states Remington has never done stampovers. Thank again my friend.

[remington600]

Listen you need to understand you wrote in to a public forum. So before you resort to name calling let's keep this on a professional level. I do base my facts on books I read, and I do base my facts on good friendships with authors of books, and " I " do base my facts on being one of a select group of the Remington Society research Team. I have been to Illion New York and have personally been through and have my own copies of the 600 and 660 files. I am personally a 600, 660 and 700 collector. I will give you an oppertunity. I will give you three seral numbers. You call remington and find out what calibers those seerial numbers belong to. 115639, 138493 and 1227336. Those are three standard run remington guns. You state there's logic in your rifle because of the stamped over MAG on some of the 6mm Rem. You can not go by that because it is a fact that those were NOT suppose to leave the factory. Being a collector of these rifles do you think that I have never seen or experienced this same situation. Again you wrote to a public forum to get some answeres. Take the pieces of the reply you want but don't argue with the answere and there is no need to put down the people that are here to try to help you out. You paid only 150.00 for it anyways. Why would you be so upset.

[johnc1895]

remington600 Again I thank you for your advice, and of course this a public forum, as for name calling what name did I call you other than friend. As far as the serial # test you have given me, it would help if you told me the model (not caliber) the # came off of. Like the barrel codes C R that could be for April 1924,1968,1997. You don't think the serial# is unique to all Remington firearms but rather too a particular model, due you?

[johnc1895]

rem141 your right my 660 will always look like a aftermarket model and COLT is great. Thanks

[remington600]

Its not going to matter but to humor you. The first two are 700s and the last is a 660. If you get a moment read the small story about the research team on this website. You didn't call names it was sarcasm for your excited attack and your response toward my intelligence on this subject. I never said that they never may of overstamped in situations, but I feel very safe to say they did not do that. The only way your going to get a factual answere is from the guy who stamped it. It does not benifit me if your gun is real our counterfit, and I am not here to argue about your gun. I don't care. Tell people you bought it from Ben Franklin. I don't care. The forum is here to help out on question about Remingtons, and you will not find a more knowledgable group of people on things Remington. All my answeres come with study and experience on this matter . Any more questions I will gladley help.

[johnc1895]

remington600 you may be 100% right about my 660, but you should understand how I must exhaust every avenue of research that I can. When it comes to Remingtons I am a novice. Pete from Remington Arms tells me one thing and you tell me another about my 660. You seem to insinuate in your private email to me that I am trying to pass off a counterfiet as authentic. That could not be farther from the truth, I pulled it from auction right after reading your email. If I sounded a bit sarcastic on this public forum I apoligize, did not mean to hurt your feelings. "Tell people you bought it from Ben Franklin, I don't care". Now who is being sarcastic, and again are you insinuating that I would lie or would practice in the art of deception. But again I'll forgive, friend. Thanks for your help and simulating correspondence. I enjoy, May Allah Bless You , Allah akbar!

[600RemGuy]

222 in a Remington rifle always seemed to have a 1 in 14 twist. Most "hunting" rifles in 223 have 1 in 12 twist. Might this also be a telltale way of exposing a rechambered 222? Remington600-we should talk. I think you could teach me alot.

[johnc1895]

222 in a Remington rifle always seemed to have a 1 in 14 twist. Most "hunting" rifles in 223 have 1 in 12 twist. Might this also be a telltale way of exposing a rechambered 222? Remington600-we should talk. I think you could teach me alot.

Great idea, Thanks

[geezer in NH]

Someone rechamered it to 223 and marked it as required. Lighteup it is not a fake and IMHO not a collector.

It is a hunter/shooter. When I find one and want it for myself you can bet I will run the reamer into make it .223.

[John Gyde]

After all these comments, let us know what the barrel twist is.

I am also a member of the research team, but my interest is primarily in .22s. My bet is that it is a stamped over .222. I have seen several of them over the years.

[John Gyde]

I realize it's only been a few days but I'll repeat my request for you to let us know what the twist is.