Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

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Cold Steel Man

Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

Gentlemen,
It is with great joy that I find this site. Some years ago I bought what I later learned was a Rem Mod 11 autoloader in 12 ga. I have never seen another with the birdseye maple stock as has this one. As you can see from the pictures there are absolutely no markings on the receiver whatsoever. There are no factory markings on either the top or bottom tang. The barrel is not the barrel which I bought on it, but I can retrieve it with some effort and time. It was very long. Please notice also the cap on the pistolgrip of the stock. Serial # is 73xxx. Obviously, the recoil pad & sling swivels are owner add-ons.
Anything you can tell me will be appreciated; I have read many of the posts on model 11s, but hope that you can tell me more, especially inlight of the unusual wood. Thanks in advance. :mrgreen:

CSM
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Jay Huber

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

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Your gun was made in 1910 and was apparently restocked outside the factoty. It looks like it was reblued and maybe all the marks were ground off the receiver? Jay Huber RSA
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

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Well, that explains the unique stock set. I am a bit baffled that anyone would possibly grind off the factory markings, however, since I am not the first owner, I suppose that anything is possible. I am trying to locate the original (AFAIK) barrel and will repost asap with that info. Thanks for establishing the date for me. :mrgreen:
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

The receiver pics did not post earlier; I see no evidence of any grinding on the receiver nor does the receiver seem to be thinned down because of such. Your eye may notice an anomaly which mine did not, however:
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Jay Huber

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

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Looks like some grinding of pits was done to the left side of the receiver , however this isn't normally where markings are found. The gun has definitely been re-blued. Maybe it was a reject receiver and never marked? I really can't figure it out. Jay
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

Considering the lack of grind marks or thinning of the receiver from being ground, could this one have somehow left the factory unmarked (perhaps initially intended to be engraved) ?
Jay Huber

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Jay Huber »

I am now inclined to believe it was a rejected receiver because of the bad spot on the left side of the receiver. It didn't hurt the workings of the receiver but couldn't be finished and marked since it would not be acceptable to the public. An employee could have taken from the factory and built a gun around it with other parts stolen from the factory. Jay
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

Wow .... how do you put a value on that ... ? :shock: Until last post, that had certainly never occurred to me. Not real sure where to go from there.... :? Is there any way to check records and see if it was indeed ever sold to a store or shop ? :?:
Jay Huber

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

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We do not value guns since we can not handle them. I know of no way to check where sold etc. Jay
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

Well, I meant how do I put a value on that. I guess that it would depend upon the individual asking as to whether or not such a thing would make it more or less valuable to him. Anyway, at least I know a great deal more now than I did before I discovered the forum. Thanks for your time, Jay; your responses are most appreciated.
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

BTW: a former owner had electropenciled his SSN on the gun; I ran the number through the SSN Death Index and it returned no result. Apparently, this individual is still alive. Thought it might provide some provenance to find out his name. No such luck. :roll:

Also, it would appear that our "escaped from the factory" theory is incorrect: here are a couple of pics from an auction site which show another Mod 11 with no receiver markings.
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It would seem that mine is not unique in this area after all.
Jay Huber

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Jay Huber »

Good point--I am not aware of unmaked frames being sent out of thr factory, but it may have been true. I will keep researching this possibility? Jay
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

Any new info, Jay? :?:
Cold Steel Man

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by Cold Steel Man »

I have consulted a couple of other sources (more knowledgeable than myself) and they state that the shotgun is most definitely a Remington Model 11 and not an A5, even though the serial number is on the bottom. They further state that the gun has been rather aggressively refinished and that perhaps the markings went with whatever buff job was done on it. This does not, however, dismiss the possibility that it left the factory unmarked as the well-worn and unfinished one pictured above seems to have. The buff-off job is merely a hypothesis and a possibility.
Just wanted to update you; I look forward to hearing the results of your research. Thanks again for the help.

CSM
A5guy

Re: Rem Model 11 : Date Help, Please

Post by A5guy »

The unmarked gun theory may be correct. These were sometimes called "lunch box" guns because the small parts were carried home in lunch boxes. I have a M21 Winchester that has absolutly no marks on it except for the barrel forging dates. The guys at Galazans have looked at the gun and agree that it is indeed a "lunch box" M21.
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