Another Rolling Block ID Request

[Zekedev]

Hey everyone, my dad bought this several years ago and was told it was from the Spanish-American War. I don't know if he really cared whether that was true; he just seemed to think it was cool. Anyway, firearms are not part of my knowledge base, and I tried doing my own research on this, but there's just so much out there (and I'm not familiar with the terms at all) so I figured it would be easier to just ask the professionals.

Measurements:
Overall length: 39-1/2"
Barrel length: 23-13/16"
Inner diameter: 0.303"
Outer diameter: 0.620"

I took as many pictures as I could fathom needing, but tried to cut them down so here's a description of some of the smaller markings:
Buttplate: "23" sideways in the middle, no texture on buttplate,
Top of buttplate: "8" just forward of the screw,
Barrel band (single band): "R" on one side, "B" on other side.

Three more pictures in the comments.

The rifle is still at my parent's house, but I can get more measurements or whatever if needed.

Thanks in advance!

[Zekedev]

Here's the other pictures, let me know if I need to get more. Thanks again.

[marlinman93]

It appears to be a built up gun, and far from original. The 1/4" all thread sticking out of the front of the action is quite puzzling, and I have no idea why it's there? Likely someone threaded the wiping rod lug to 1/4-2oNC, but why?
The barrel appears to be from a 03 Springfield and likely still in .30-06 cartridge? The phillips head screw through the top tang to hold the buttstock on is wrong, as it should be a straight slotted screw. The numbers on the sides of the top tang and lower tang should match, so someone swapped on the different lower tang.
I believe it's a later #5 smokeless action used to build this up.

[wlw-19958]

Hi There,

Marlinman93 is correct on most of his observations but the main
part of the frame (with the upper tang, etc.) is not from a number
five action. Based on the upper tang markings, this is a No. 1
second type with bar type extractor. I don't think Remington made
this frame type past 1870 or 1871.

Cheers!
Webb

[Zekedev]

Webb, Marlinman,

Thank you! Based on what I was finding I was wondering if it might be something like this. It seemed too clean, the mismatched numbers confused me since I thought both tangs were one piece, and nothing quite matched what I was seeing on other posts.

Appreciate both of your insights!

Jim

[Zekedev]

The 1/4" all thread sticking out of the front of the action is quite puzzling, and I have no idea why it's there? Likely someone threaded the wiping rod lug to 1/4-2oNC, but why?

The 1/4" all thread was concealed inside the forestock(?) before I took it off to check for more markings on the underside of the barrel. I hadn't really given its presence much thought, just figured it was the way to keep the base of the forestock(?) from moving in any given direction.
I guess that's not how they're usually built though, haha.

I tried googling "wiping rod lug" and didn't really come up with anything other than barrel cleaning tools; if you have a moment would you mind elaborating on what that is?

Appreciated,
Jim

[marlinman93]

The 1/4" all thread sticking out of the front of the action is quite puzzling, and I have no idea why it's there? Likely someone threaded the wiping rod lug to 1/4-2oNC, but why?

The 1/4" all thread was concealed inside the forestock(?) before I took it off to check for more markings on the underside of the barrel. I hadn't really given its presence much thought, just figured it was the way to keep the base of the forestock(?) from moving in any given direction.
I guess that's not how they're usually built though, haha.

I tried googling "wiping rod lug" and didn't really come up with anything other than barrel cleaning tools; if you have a moment would you mind elaborating on what that is?

Appreciated,
Jim

Originally this action was fitted with a full length barrel and forearm and would have had a cleaning rod underneath the barrel. The receiver had a post or lug screwed into the bottom of the barrel just inside the area the 1/4" all thread rod is now. Those cleaning rods were threaded smaller size and likely someone drilled it out larger to accept that 1/4" rod.

I missed the extractor screw on the left side that Webb caught, which as he said makes this an early black powder #1 action. As a BP action fitted with a modern smokeless barrel this gun should never be fired in whatever smokeless cartridge it's chambered for now. I't basically a wall hanger or a good donor action for a BP cartridge rifle build.

[Zekedev]

Ohh ok, copy that. Thanks so much for the additional info!

[wlw-19958]

Hi There,

I missed the extractor screw on the left side that Webb caught, which as he said makes this an early black powder #1 action.

Actually, what tipped me off was the tang markings (ending in 1866).
There were No. 5 frames drilled and tapped for the bar type extractor
retainer screw (model 1897). That screw was eliminated in the 1901/
1902 model and newer which used an ejector instead of an extractor.

Cheers!
Webb