Identification at a glance

[karu]

Hi Guys,
I was wondering....

Do you know how to identify a Beals Model, an Elliot Model or a New Model by just one single look....?

lachiure

[karu]

Come on! Guys
It's not so difficult..

Ok, let me help you a little.
This is not related to the markings, the hammer or the front sight!

lachiure

[aardq]

Yes I do know how to identify each of them with just a single look. Too bad you're not in the US and attending the NRA Conference next month. I will Represent the Remington Society in the Collectors' section. My display is: The Handgun Designers of E. Remington & Sons." I will have an example of each model.

Daniel

[karu]

WoW, that sounds very very Nice!
An example of each model, included the famous "Single Wing Beals Navy "
We want to see that on YT, Please!

Answering that question was too easy for you
Can we say that the whole point for Remington was to secure the cylinder pin inside the frame, as a captive part?

Thanks once again,
Karu

[Patbar]

Karu, I'd have answered if you specified that your question was relating to the Navy and Army models, because the name Elliot makes me think of the Elliot derringer more than the mean of attaching the loading lever of these big guns.

[karu]

You're right Patbar, in people mind his name refers to the Derringer.

The problem was not the loading lever my friend
I'm glad you have the book now, take a look at the chapter Ten...
I don't want to spoil the "End" of the movie

See You,
Karu

[karu]

Hi Guys,
I give you my trick.
Location of the cylinder arbor pin head is very helpful to determine the true origin of your revolver.
I would also add, the milled out portion in front of the frame.

- On Beals revolver, the cylinder arbor pin head is fully rebated into the frame,
- On Elliot revolver, the cylinder arbor pin head is exposed in front of the frame,
- On New-Model revolver, the cylinder arbor pin head is half rebated and half exposed.

I hope it would help someone..

[Patbar]

Hi Karu,
Why bothering putting glasses on to see where is the arbor pin head ? just take a look at the loading lever and you can immediatly see if the gun is a Beal, a 1861 model or a new model.

[aardq]

Hi Guys,

On the large frame revolvers, the Beals and 1861 frames hide the barrel threads.The New Models ha the frame cut away to show the barrel threads. That applies to all New Models of all sizes. Beals loading lever shape is only on the Beals, the 61 loading lever has the top cut out to allow the cylinder pin to move forward so that the cylinder can e removed without lowering the loading lever. The New Models have notches cut in the cylinder between the nipples so that the hammer can safely rest in the notch.

Having said that, remember that Remington was very frugal, and used up the parts on hand, so you may find a NM frame with a old model cylinder. There are even a few old models with a NM cylinder. The same with barrels. A NM frame but an old model barrel. And the list goes on.

That is one reason that Don Ware's book is so valuable. He covers all the parts changes and explains a lot of things, including details.

Isn't collecting Remmies fun??

[Patbar]

Hi Daniel,
Talking about how Remington (and all others at the time) was frugal, I own a Transitional Navy which has everything of the new model except for the barrel, front sight and loading lever which are of the 1861 model.

[karu]

Hi There,
Of course and you're right Patbar, the lever is the most recognizable feature.
But how would you do if this part was modified or changed..?

This trick helps to avoid counterfeited Remmies I think.
it also helps when the seller only give you, one single picture! And so deal with it..

By doing this, I also try to see how the different models are interchangeable together.
Because if the Elliot lever can be use on a NM, it does not appears to be the same for the Elliot cylinder pin.
That's why transitional models are so interesting.

Dan, collecting is one the most exciting thing in this world..
& Searching, founding and indentifying Remington revolvers is a must..

I have a question for you Guys..
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Thanks & See You,

[Patbar]

What is your question, Karu ? Is it can a new model loading lever be mounted on an old model barrel ?

[karu]

Hi Patbar,
You don't get it! Since the beginning I've been talking about the cylinder pin and its location.
Don't worry it's not a big deal.

Anyway, have you see #13271?? Which bears a Late New-Model address..
See you,