Help with Remington Derringer, fluted barrels with no rib??

[JTB]

I just picked up a Remington derringer. It's marked "REMINGTON ARMS CO. ILION, N.Y." on top of the barrel. The finish is nickle. The screws, trigger, hammerr and takedown latch are blued. The hammer has cross checkering on top. The grips are hard checkered plastic. The barrel and frame under the grips have "323". the locking lug on the bottom of the barrel has "AY8" on it. The strang part is the barrels. The are fluted with no rib. I couldn't find any pictures of a smiliar gun or any description until I found an auction of one with the same type barrels.

http://www.cowanauctions.com/past_sales ... emId=38895

Can anyone tell me what I have and the approximate date of maufacture?

[DavidFagan]

I just picked up a Remington derringer. It's marked "REMINGTON ARMS CO. ILION, N.Y." on top of the barrel. The finish is nickle. The screws, trigger, hammerr and takedown latch are blued. The hammer has cross checkering on top. The grips are hard checkered plastic. The barrel and frame under the grips have "323". the locking lug on the bottom of the barrel has "AY8" on it. The strang part is the barrels. The are fluted with no rib. I couldn't find any pictures of a smiliar gun or any description until I found an auction of one with the same type barrels.

http://www.cowanauctions.com/past_sales ... emId=38895

Can anyone tell me what I have and the approximate date of maufacture?

The only original non-ribbed double derringers (model 95's) are referred to as mono-blocks and they were made (intermixed) in the last years of production of which only 500 were made and 2 (of my knowledge) are known to be nickel and they are FULL plate. HOWEVER they were marked REMINGTON ARMS UMC on the top of the barrel and the serial no would start with either a 9 or an L, the model you have was made no later then 1912 and if the stamps are valid returned to the factory in January of 1930 for repair. Also just a FYI unless it is a shortline it's a batch no and not a serial number since they repeated it. If the factory cut the ribs off or this was done by another machinest who knows for sure but I doubt this was done by the factory or at least an approved modification.
Basically this gun HAS to have been modified and refinished, without gun in hand it would be hard to say more. I guess if the barrel was modified at the factory I would suspect they would have to proof it and that would be under the loading arm. I want to clarify this last sentence however as complete speculation on my part

I have a photo of all top addresses I'll put it on the site when I get a chance.

I WELCOME any clarifications or corrections to this post, I make no claim of being a double expert....

[JTB]

David,

Thanks for your help. I'll snap some pictures tonight and post them so you can have a better look. I would have assume the gun was refinished at some time since the nickle is 96% or so, but to remove the rib seems like a lot of work for what was at the time a cheap handgun.[/img]

[DavidFagan]

David,

Thanks for your help. I'll snap some pictures tonight and post them so you can have a better look. I would have assume the gun was refinished at some time since the nickle is 96% or so, but to remove the rib seems like a lot of work for what was at the time a cheap handgun.[/img]

Pictures would really help so I can see the top of the hammer, the extractor, and the top of the barrel, also flip down the locking lever. If you send the photo's to me (email) I will post them on this site for you (I'm the admin;)

I cannot understand any reasoning for removing the rib but I have recently seen another reproduction that I've never seen before with Remington Arms on the top that was NOT made by Remington. Usually they are quite obvious this one wouldn't fool anyone who knew doubles but it wasn't so.

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[JTB]

In the above pictures the grips and some of the "guts" have been removed for cleaning. It was pretty grimy when I got it. I'm curious if anyone has anymore input after seeing the pictures.