1894 Help identification

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Birdman61
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1894 Help identification

Post by Birdman61 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:50 am

I have a 12ga 1894 A ( no E stamp ) but has ejectors s/n 113184 that has 26" Ordnance barrels on it.
I've taken it to Bachelder and they said it appears to be factory. They can find no indications that it was altered.
Stock has correct butt plate.
They checked it with an internal choke gauge and it comes out as .ooo and .020 with 3-4 inches of constriction.
Pellet count is 296 / 210 and coinsides with the correct barrel.
I don't know the pellet count translation to % and choke.
The other lug has 32 and 258 on it, what do these numbers mean ?
How would I be able to tell if this was ordered in this configuration, and if it is factory, any way to determine how many are made and what does that do to the potential value.
Gun is about 70 -80 % and tight in every way.
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Re: 1894 barrel length - special order ?

Post by dieNusse1 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:54 am

Of the 41,194 '94s produced from 1894 to 1910, yours entered the world in 1899. Ordnance steel barrels were first offered in 1897.

As for the pellet counts: Remington used 1 1/4 oz of #8 shot (511 pellets) for the patterning load which was fired at a 30 in. circle from 40 yds. So --- 296/511 and 210/511 equates to 58% and 41% or IMP and Cylinder as I recall.

I don't think factory records still exist so we won't be able to determine the exact configuration when new.

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Birdman61 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:00 am

So the pellet count seems to indicate the correct choke ?
Which makes me wonder if it's possible that it came that way. Opinions on that statement are welcome as most in this group probly have more knowledge than i.
Did Remington even do special orders ?
Almost seems to be a purpose built brush gun for close upland game ?

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by dieNusse1 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:35 am

Yes, Remington would do special orders.

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Researcher » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:22 am

No one left alive knows what those little numbers on the other lug mean. The AO-/AEO-Grade wasn't cataloged with 26-inch barrels until the very end of Remington Hammerless Double production. In the 1899 Remington Arms Co. catalog the 12-gauge was offered in 28-, 30- and 32-inch lengths. It could have been ordered this way or it could have been rebarreled at a later date. If you post some good pictures of the gun including all the markings on the barrel flats, perhaps we could offer some more insightful answers.

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Birdman61 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:03 pm

Reasearcher... thank you.
I will get some pics and figure out how to upload them.
If this was rebarreled or special order, what would that do to the value / collectabilty since no actual documentation exists ?

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Birdman61 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:53 pm

Here are a few pictures.....hope these help

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Researcher » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:17 am

If you can't figure out how to use the attachments feature and post your pictures here you could email them to me at AHFCA@comcast.net

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Birdman61 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:36 pm

Thank you researcher, having difficulty figuring this out..... well be in your inbox shortly.

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Researcher » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:15 am

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Researcher » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:26 am

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Looks to me as if this gun is "right as rain." Except for the honest wear of several lifetimes in the fields and coverts, I'd say it is just as it left Ilion circa 1899. Wonderful gun to take to the field and enjoy today. Really much more useful than the bulk of the 12-gauge 30-inchers with tight chokes.

I have had to use a photo hosting sight, as this web site would only accept the one picture in the above post as an attachment?!?

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Re: 1894 Help identification

Post by Researcher » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:29 am

The last two pictures.

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