Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

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jose1983
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Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

Post by jose1983 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:06 pm

Hi guys, sorry for my bad english. Im José from Argentina and I love SxS shotguns.

Long story short, I found a 1894 Grade B, 16 gauge shotgun in what I think good condition, but I'm in doubt whether it's damascus or Ordnance steel barrels. Is it possible to have ordnance barrels with no "ordnance" word marked over the barrels?

Vintage Remington SxS are very rare here. This is the first I saw in the whole country.

Here in Argentina unknown people is not so trustworthy as in the USA, and some guys would blow your fingers with no doubts if they could seel their guns to you and make some bucks.

I don't actually know whether a rust blued damascus barrel would look similar to a fluid steel barrel or not. Maybe this guy reblued the gun and it turned the damascus pattern invisible... What do you think about it?

I Would appreciate your help!

Thank you in advance!

José Del Vecchio.
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Re: Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

Post by Drew Hause » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:27 pm

¡Bienvenido Jose!

Steel barrels were introduced on the Remington Hammerless Model of 1894 in the Remington Arms Co. April 1897 catalogue. If Ordnance steel, it should be so marked.
It appears that the metal parts have been polished and the top lever blued when the barrels were blued. If done with hot caustic salts, the solder holding the rib and barrels together may dissolve.

Put a little dab of white vinegar on a soft cloth and rub a spot underneath the forend - the crolle pattern should become apparent.

These damascus barrels were blued

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Also be aware that the chambers are probably 2 1/2" for 2 9/16" 16g shells.

The barrels most certainly need to be evaluated for safety, with careful measurements of the wall thickness from breech to muzzle, before using the gun.

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Re: Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

Post by Researcher » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:39 pm

The Remington Steel and Ordnance Steel barrels were introduced with the April 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalog as Drew said, but the 16-gauge wasn't added to the offerings until the October 1897 catalog. Actually the first appearance of the Remington Steel was in the August 1896 Supplementary List to the Hartley & Graham offerings. They owned Remington Arms Co. While ORDNANCE was normally stamped on Ordnance Steel barrels on A and B quality guns --
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and engraved on C and higher quality guns,
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annomolies such as the E.E. Darling EEO-Grade, probably the first EEO-Grade made and which is not marked, do exist.

By the way, top-levers and trigger guards were niter blued on B and higher quality guns.

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Re: Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

Post by Researcher » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:43 pm

99 times out of 100, one can see the Damascus pattern through bluing when you take the barrels outside in the sunshine,

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Re: Remington 1894 16ga Grade B from Argentina

Post by jose1983 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:33 pm

Thank you very much for your help!

I went to seller's city last wednesday and all I can say is: what a mess!

Barrels were severily pitted inside. Rib was loose and almost all engravings and marks were deleted. The gun has an O marked under both barrels and I'm 99% sure they're ordnance steel.

What a shame!

:cry: :cry:

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