30 Cal or 30 Carbine

[Wulfman]

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If you have a 30 caliber Remington 14 R or a 14 1/2 carbine or 141R carbine in 30 caliber which ammo do you shoot the shorter 30 carbine like the M1 carbine shoots or the regular 30 caliber. I am confused?

Let's try to get you UN-confused.
I don't know what you mean by "regular 30 caliber", but you really need to become more familiar with what you have before you shoot it (or buy ammo for it). There have been an abundance of various "30 caliber" cartridges over the last 117 years and they are or can be vastly different from one another. Firing the wrong ammo in a rifle can be disastrous/deadly.

The old Remington Model 14s and 141s were chambered for the ".30 Remington". It was essentially a rimless version of the .30-30 Winchester. For the most part, it was declared obsolete many decades ago. However, there are still a few sources for the loaded ammunition and cartridge cases if a person is set up to reload them. In either case it can be a fairly expensive proposition these days.

Here are some links that will hopefully explain the cartridge.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/30_Rem.htm

http://www.ammo-one.com/30Remington.html

http://www.buffaloarms.com/30_Remington ... x?CAT=4445

Isn't there a cartridge case head on the left side of the receiver of the rifle you have?


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[nambujim]

Wulfman has it right!

......................but I am concerned because "oldeadeye" posted in his first entry that when he went to shoot his 14R "it fell apart", what ammunition were you using??. Wulfman stated if your rifle is marked .30 Remington or .30 Rem it fires ONLY that cartridge and that cartridge ONLY.

Also 14-1/2 Rifles and Carbines fired 44-40 or 38-40 ammunition and shouldn't even be included in this conversation.

The fact you are talking .30 (M1) Carbine and "normal" .30 Cal. ammunition is a real concern and to confirm your own words I would say "YES" you are confused.

The carbine you have and we don't really know if indeed it is a carbine (you need to post a picture) does not use .30 Carbine, 30-30, 30-06, or any oither variation .............. it uses .30 Remington which as Wulfman stated is a rimless version of a 30-30 Winchester/30 WCF.

I was NOT being sarcastic when I said you need to post a picture because a LOT of uniformed folks think a regular Model 14 is a carbine. If it is a carbine the barrel length is 18-1/2" and the magazine tube should come almost right up to the end of the barrel. We need a picture and quite seriously you need some help because if its just a rifle in the condition you described it is hardly worth working on. If it is a carbine (14R) it probably is worth putting in working order.

I'll drag my camera out and see if I can post a pic for "ol deadeye" showing both a carbine and a rifle, the current file I have is too large for the site.

Regards!

Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC

[nambujim]

My Camera sort of sucks but hope these pics post.

For "Oldeadeye", that is a carbine on top......note barrel length. Also almost all carbines had straight stocks and not pistol grip style.

[nambujim]

Wow, "somewhat helpful" ........... "we" were concerned that you might well blow yourself up, your ability to effectively communicate your problems & concerns has been a bit disjointed & confusing.

Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC

[michaelblatney]

I also have a 14R and here is the ammo for this rifle. I inherited this from my Dad who bought it at a pawn shop in the mid 60's. I am also confused about the ammo. I ordered .30 caliber ammo and it is a small cartridge. The ammo I have is 30 Remington and I have 4 boxes that my Dad bought in the 60's. I am not sure I can find this ammo today.

Lft to Right 3030, .30REM, .30Rem, .30 carbine

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