I just picked up a Model 141 that has me baffled because it doesn't seem to fit the standard characteristics. Here's a rundown:
- no trademark on the receiver
- 24" .35 REM barrel
- Barrel date mark of " A N 3 "
- Serial number: C 91910
Any idea on this? I was planning on checking with Remington customer service, but I thought I'd check with you folks first.
Thanks!
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Confusing Model 141
Confusing Model 141
"A good 'ole boy behind enemy lines in Massachusetts"
Re: Confusing Model 141
***UPDATE***
Well, I called Remington Customer Service this morning, and they told me the manufacture date was sometime between 1951 and 1952. Since they stopped "officially" making the rifles in 1950, all I can think is that it was put together with left over parts. I guess that could explain the March 1922 barrel date (AN), but I still don't understand why the receiver would be completely blank - no trademark, no model number.
Suggestions welcome!
Well, I called Remington Customer Service this morning, and they told me the manufacture date was sometime between 1951 and 1952. Since they stopped "officially" making the rifles in 1950, all I can think is that it was put together with left over parts. I guess that could explain the March 1922 barrel date (AN), but I still don't understand why the receiver would be completely blank - no trademark, no model number.
Suggestions welcome!
"A good 'ole boy behind enemy lines in Massachusetts"
Re: Confusing Model 141
USMA,
You have a gun that was put together with a Model 14 receiver and a Model 141 barrel. The C91xxx receiver was made in 1924. At that time the receiver did not have the model number, it was added about s/n 96K. That receiver did not have the trademark or the gamemaster logo which started on receivers in 1935/36.
It could be that the gun was sent back to the factory for a new barrel and one was put on in March 1966. (AN) The 3 indicated it was repaired on that date. Spare parts were normally kept for about 10 years after close of production, this would be 16 years----don't know.
Another possibility, the AN date code was made in March 1966 to another gun, a 35/141, and the 3 means it was a factory repair done on that date to that gun. In this case the original date code without a 3 or other number should also be there and it should be somewhere between 1935 the date when the 24 inch barrels began and the end of 141 production, 1950. Later this 141 barrel was put on your gun.
There may be other possibilites but,
the AN date must be 1966 because the 24 inch barrels were not made until after 1922, made 1935, 13 years after the 1922 date.
Does the barrel have another date code?
Which forearm is on it a 14 or 141?
Could you post a picture of the date code area?
Ken Blauch
You have a gun that was put together with a Model 14 receiver and a Model 141 barrel. The C91xxx receiver was made in 1924. At that time the receiver did not have the model number, it was added about s/n 96K. That receiver did not have the trademark or the gamemaster logo which started on receivers in 1935/36.
It could be that the gun was sent back to the factory for a new barrel and one was put on in March 1966. (AN) The 3 indicated it was repaired on that date. Spare parts were normally kept for about 10 years after close of production, this would be 16 years----don't know.
Another possibility, the AN date code was made in March 1966 to another gun, a 35/141, and the 3 means it was a factory repair done on that date to that gun. In this case the original date code without a 3 or other number should also be there and it should be somewhere between 1935 the date when the 24 inch barrels began and the end of 141 production, 1950. Later this 141 barrel was put on your gun.
There may be other possibilites but,
the AN date must be 1966 because the 24 inch barrels were not made until after 1922, made 1935, 13 years after the 1922 date.
Does the barrel have another date code?
Which forearm is on it a 14 or 141?
Could you post a picture of the date code area?
Ken Blauch
Re: Confusing Model 141
USMA,
Thanks for the pictures, just like you described. The gun looks like a normal Model 14 except for the barrel which is a 141. My guess is that the barrel was replaced at the factory in 1966. It would have been a new barrel, never installed, with no date code. Once installed it would be date coded and marked with 3 to show repair . Had it been a gun made from leftover parts by the factory anytime when 141 barrels were available it would have a date code without a number. Date codes started in 1921 but some guns were missed until about 1923.
Ken Blauch
Thanks for the pictures, just like you described. The gun looks like a normal Model 14 except for the barrel which is a 141. My guess is that the barrel was replaced at the factory in 1966. It would have been a new barrel, never installed, with no date code. Once installed it would be date coded and marked with 3 to show repair . Had it been a gun made from leftover parts by the factory anytime when 141 barrels were available it would have a date code without a number. Date codes started in 1921 but some guns were missed until about 1923.
Ken Blauch
Re: Confusing Model 141
Thanks for the explanation, Ken. I guess the seller I bought it from was sort of telling the truth when he said it was "all original" - as in original parts from two different models of guns!
Well, we'll just have to see how she shoots.
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Well, we'll just have to see how she shoots.
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"A good 'ole boy behind enemy lines in Massachusetts"