Remington Creedmore rifle

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171evergreenfkl
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Remington Creedmore rifle

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Attached are photographs of a Remington Creedmore cambered for .44-90 Sharps. The #1873 is on the rear of the trigger guard tang. Is this a serial# or date of manufacture? Thanks
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oldremguy
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Re: Remington Creedmore rifle

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Very Nice rifle !!!! The number on the bottom of the trigger guard would be the serial number. It may also be stamped on the bottom of the barrel under the forearm. What is the length in inches of the brass case for that 44-90 cartridge?

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171evergreenfkl
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Re: Remington Creedmore rifle

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1873 present on barrel along with cal. designation 44s. Brass case is approx. 2-6/10”. Is there any info. on Remington production data for this serial# range, thank you
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171evergreenfkl wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:30 am 1873 present on barrel along with cal. designation 44s. Brass case is approx. 2-6/10”. Is there any info. on Remington production data for this serial# range, thank you
I will have to check my reference book tonight.
I have a early sporting rifle in 44 rimfire it was made from a early military reciever with serial # 1299, which I believe was made around 1870. I would think your gun would of been made around 1873 at the start of the Creedmoor matches, but I could be wrong.

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Re: Remington Creedmore rifle

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Hi There,

Does the rifle in question have the flat base or
concave base on the breech bolt? Early models
have the concave base and Remington switch to
the flat base in August of 1870.

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171evergreenfkl
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Re: Remington Creedmore rifle

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The breach block face is flat. My initial posting that it was .44-90 is incorrect. re-visiting my original chamber cast it is .44-77
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oldremguy
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I checked my reference book and General Custer's sporting rifle was serial # 3333 and was shipped to him in 1875, so I would think that your rifle could of been made in 1872 or 1873. Question for you, are the Remington patent dates on the upper tang or on the left side of the receiver on your rifle? The 44s stamped on the bottom of the barrel would be for the 44-77 as per your chamber cast.

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they are located on the left side of frame . Last patent date is Sept. 9, 1873, so mfg. would have been either late 1873 or early to mid 1874?
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171evergreenfkl wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:43 pm they are located on the left side of frame . Last patent date is Sept. 9, 1873, so mfg. would have been either late 1873 or early to mid 1874?
I think the 1 in your serial number maybe a lightly stamped number 4. Remington started to place the patent dated on the left side of the receiver after serial number 3000. Sometimes the serial number is also stamped on the inside of the nose cap and the butt-plate.
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I don't believe any Long Range Creedmoor Rolling Blocks were even offered or built prior to 1874? Roy Marcot's book tells us the first were offered in 1874, and chambered in the .44-77 Rem-Sharps bottleneck.
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Matt you are indeed correct, the stamping is light making the serial# 4783. Thank you for your observation. Marlinman93 you too are correct, the serial # would place it in the 1877 time frame. (see photo) I have also attached a Remington advertisement from the Sept. 1877 issue of " The National Guardsman" a periodic paper of the NGNY. Remington displays an endorsement for the Creedmore Rifle by Major Herbert S. Jewell, Inspector for Rifle Practice, NGNY. Jewell was also a member of the victorious team that defeated the British at the Creedmore Range in 1877.
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Beautiful Creedmoor rifle! The holy grail of Remington Rolling Blocks for me! I wanted one for a very long time, and finally built one from an original Remington action and a new Green Mountain barrel, and Remington stocks leftover from their run in the late 1990's. Likely the only thing close enough I'll ever own.
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