Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

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AlanD
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Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by AlanD » Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:55 pm

Does anyone have any tables or information showing the production of the rolling block in .303 British calibre and the dates on manufacture, if known?

Regards

Alan David
Sydney
Australia

wlw-19958
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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by wlw-19958 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:35 pm

Hi There,

Is this a military rolling block? If so, there isn't
much information on how many were manufactured
but it is considered a very rare caliber (if a factory
made rifle). This should be made on the later #5
action. If you have any pics, we would love to see it!

The #5 action started production in 1896. There were
several evolutionary models during its production. The
models were: 1896, 1897, 1902 (a.k.a 1901) and 1910.
The differences were small and mostly subtle changes
to sights, upper hand guard and the most obvious the
extractor (prior to the model 1902) or ejector (starting
with the 1902 model and later models).

Post some pics and we will help with identification.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

AlanD
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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by AlanD » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:49 pm

Yes this is the military rifle I am thinking of. The British did buy 4,500 7mm rolling block rifles from Remington in 1915 for use on miscellaneous boats and craft such as trawlers for protection against mines and German U boats.
I often wondered why they did not buy any in .303 which by the early 1890's was in common usage around the British Empire.

Did Remington actually produce any military pattern rolling blocks in .303?

Regards

AlanD

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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by stanforth » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:31 am

We (British) purchased what was available. This was to free up .303 Le Enfield rifles for troops going over to France.
We also bought Arisaka and other rifles such as mod.1892 and 1894 Winchesters.

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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by wlw-19958 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:11 am

Hi There,

Stanforth is correct. Remington kept large numbers
of 7mm rolling blocks in stock because it was the
most popular caliber. Remington would make them
in .303 Brit. but there would be a significant delay
in providing them.

As I understand it, the British wanted the rifles immediately
and elected not to wait for the 6 to 12 months needed to
produce them. One has to remember that Remington was
in high gear producing P14's and in expanding their facilities
to meet the demands of a war and just didn't have the
workforce to build rolling blocks expediently.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by AlanD » Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:36 pm

Out of interest the British 4,500 purchase included, 1000 rifles that were "repaired"or refurbished meaning they were presumably used. So it is possible there were two models purchased, say 1899 and 1902. Unfortunately, examples of these with British markings, normally D.P. for drill purpose and the DCP Canadian proof mark, are very few on the ground.

This is the opposite of the 4,000 Remington Model 14 1/2 rifles of which well over100 have been recorded with the DCP mark and various other rack markings.

If no military rifles were made in .303 - assuming this is in fact the case - does anyone know how many were made in a sporting configuration in .303?

Regards

Alan

Note: The British Admiralty was also offered 1,000 7mm rolling block carbines but declined to buy them on account od dirty bore's. Although they shot quite well according to a note in one of the files at the National Archives in London.

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Re: Rolling Block .303 British Calibre

Post by wlw-19958 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:48 pm

Hi There,

Nobody is saying that .303 Brit military rolling blocks
were not made. Quite the contrary. They were
manufactured but in very limited numbers (based on
how few are still around).

What we are saying is that the 7mm version was the most
common. This is partly because the biggest market at the
time was South and Central America and most of these
Countries had adopted that caliber. Other calibers were
made and are documented in the old catalogs that survive.

Remington has been through a few bankruptcies and
re-organizations. Each time, there was a general
clean-up of what was considered old useless records
and information has been lost.

As to civilian versions being made in .303 Brit, I don't know
anything about them. Perhaps others know and will share
their information.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

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