Remington Carbine ID

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SteveB
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Remington Carbine ID

Post by SteveB » Fri Mar 29, 2019 12:23 pm

I'd like some help identifying this rifle please. I'm pretty sure it's a Light Baby Carbine in .44-40 WCF, but some of the other posts I've seen have led me to question it. I've taken some measurements, and will add some photos. The frame width is 1.34", the upper tang width is 0.71", it has a 19" barrel (muzzle to front of breechblock, 20.5" to breech face). Barrel mics at .44" and it is centerfire. Numbers on frame say 7945. There is also a "B" near the 7945 on the left side of the breechblock, just above the wood forearm grip. If you need other parts measured, let me know.
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oldremguy
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Re: Remington Carbine ID

Post by oldremguy » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:33 pm

From the photos that you posted it looks like the Argentine rolling block carbine. They were chambered in .43 Spanish, which was a bottleneck case. A lot of of the Argentine rifles and carbines were re-blued when they were shipped back into this country.

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Matt

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Re: Remington Carbine ID

Post by wlw-19958 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:00 pm

Hi There,

Matt is correct. This is an 1879 Argentine Model carbine.
Originally, they were stamped with "Modelo Argentino 1879 E.N."
on top of the knoxform behind the rear sight but many had
this marking removed during the refinishing process.

The caliber is (was) .43 Spanish. As mentioned is a large bottle
neck cartridge. If you can measure your chamber mouth, the
rim diameter for .43 Spanish is .635" and base diameter is .516".

Here are pics of a .43 Spanish and the 44-40 cartridge so you can
see the differences:

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Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

SteveB
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Re: Remington Carbine ID

Post by SteveB » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:32 pm

wlw-19958 wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:00 pm
Hi There,

Matt is correct. This is an 1879 Argentine Model carbine.
Originally, they were stamped with "Modelo Argentino 1879 E.N."
on top of the knoxform behind the rear sight but many had
this marking removed during the refinishing process.

The caliber is (was) .43 Spanish. As mentioned is a large bottle
neck cartridge. If you can measure your chamber mouth, the
rim diameter for .43 Spanish is .635" and base diameter is .516".

Here are pics of a .43 Spanish and the 44-40 cartridge so you can
see the differences:


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0329191555c.jpg

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb
Ok. The measurements say you're correct. It is .43 spanish. So what does the 7945 mean? I can't find this model anywhere in the Bluebook of Gun Values. Any idea what it's worth? I am looking to sell it.

wlw-19958
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Re: Remington Carbine ID

Post by wlw-19958 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:12 pm

Hi There,

The 1879 Argentine model didn't usually have any
serial numbers stamped on them. The Factory never
put any serial numbers on these. It may have been
marked in Argentina or by the importer when imported
(depending on when it was imported). Most of these
were imported in the 1950's when there wasn't any BATF
(or BATFE) and it wasn't necessary to have serial numbers
but now, ALL imported firearms MUST have a unique
serial number stamped on them.

The "B" you refer to I assume is the one on the breech
of the barrel. This was a Factory inspection mark. Many
(if not most) rolling blocks have this mark.

As to value, that is dependent on condition. Having
been refinished will diminish value to collectors.
Bore condition is a major factor for those who shoot
these. Carbines are much harder to find than rifles
but the condition is still important. I don't feel qualified
to judge but you can go to the major on-line gun auction
sites and look through their completed auctions and
look for similar models and note the price paid for them.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

marlinman93
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Re: Remington Carbine ID

Post by marlinman93 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:19 am

Since it's a refinished gun, the collector value is diminished as wlw said. But even as a candidate for restoration, or parts to build up another rifle, it's still worth probably $400. That's about the highest I see them selling for at various gun shows and sites.

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