Identification marks

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Colt45Dave
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Identification marks

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Hi all, my first post here. I'm trying to identify my newly acquired rolling block. This one has very few markings, and appears to be Spanish, or perhaps Egyptian that went to Spain or?
I have poured over the G. Layman collectors book, and am still unsure. By measurements, I believe it to be chambered in 43 Spanish. As soon as I can find my lost block of cerrosafe, I'll do a chamber cast. The bore and action are in pretty fine shape, and my intention is to shoot this gun, and not modify it in any way, other than to make sure it's safe.
The two line patent info on the tang reads Remington's ilion ny USA
Second line: Pat May3d Nov 15 1864 April 17 1866
The 3 brass bands are the slip off type with push tang retention. All are marked with a crown with a cross above. there are two more crown/cross stamps on the left side. One high on the receiver, and one on the barrel. There is also a 2" round impression on the left butt stock, basically unreadable. Just to the rear of that is an oval with what appears to be "JOB" in old English script. I have taken pictures of these areas, and attached them here.
Any help/ideas sincerely appreciated.
Ok, no photos. They are too large, and I'm on my iPad, so I'll have to resize and post later.
Thanks
Colt45Dave
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Re: Identification marks

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Still trying to get my photos resized, but in Gorge Laymans all new collectors guide, pages 84 & 85, my rifle has all of these same marks, except for the E on the underside of the forearm. And it has the flat base breechblock.
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Colt45Dave
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Re: Identification marks

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Barrel band and bayonet lug.
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Gonna have to get better at this photo stuff, or get on a real computer!
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Colt45Dave
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Re: Identification marks

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Found the G4209 number after buttstock removed. Also found another crown on the left side of the hammer. I imagine the G stands for Greek?
Ok, I'll continue to strip this down, clean it up, and chamber cast.
Thanks !
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Re: Identification marks

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Sure would like to get some feedback here from some members more knowledgeable than me!
Thanks!
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Re: Identification marks

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Can you post a photo of the breech area, looking into the open breech?
Colt45Dave
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Ok, hear is the open breach pic. The gun is completely stripped. The chamber cast came out as 43 Spanish. Bore is clean and bright. Have a new firing pin and rear sight parts on order.

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Re: Identification marks

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This looks like the standard "Spanish Model," made circa 1871. The caliber confirmed that. The two line patent marking is the early style, while the flat based breechblock was introduced in mid 1870. The rear sight is the Spanish style. The crown stamps are the same as on the Danish rifle, but that probably means that these parts were available in the parts bins and racks in the assembly room at the factory. The G by the number on the tang is typical of the alpha-numeric markings the factory used to track the assembled rifles.
Colt45Dave
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Re: Identification marks

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Ehull, thanks so much! You have given me confidence and confirmed my thoughts and research. The chamber cast measurements confirmed 43 Spanish and I obtained some cases. I'm in process of obtaining a new firing pin and sight parts, .439 lead and the reloading dies for my Lee setup. I have the turret press and dies for 9 different rounds, so what's one more? I'm going to use black powder and am still researching load data. My intended use for this RB is 100-200 yard targets at SASS side matches.
Thanks again!
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