Addicted to Military Rolling Blocks

[oldremguy]

I think I am addicted to Rolling Blocks, see photos below.

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[oldremguy]

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[oldremguy]

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[rudybolla]

Oh my, you really are sick, aren't you? You must ship your addictive collection to me without delay. Save yourself!

[oldremguy]

I don't know about that, that would be a lot of boxes and postage stamps. I will just load them into the car and drive them over.

[ehull]

Matt- Super collection, superb photos!
In photo 1, please describe in more detail the .50 carbine made from musket parts.
On the Remingthon scarf, what is the makers/printer's name on the hem or edge?

[stanforth]

Superb collection and well exhibited. Thank you for posting even if it has left me a little depressed..

[stanforth]

At least I didn't see one of these in your collection.
Swedish 1870 Cavelry Carbine in 12.7X44R converted from rimfire. Made in 1877 by Carl Gustav.
Excuse the image quality.

[Johnboat 225]

Very nice collection. Thanks for sharing.

[rudybolla]

At least I didn't see one of these in your collection.
Swedish 1870 Cavelry Carbine in 12.7X44R converted from rimfire. Made in 1877 by Carl Gustav.
Excuse the image quality.

It was one of these that started me down the road of rolling block addiction. Do not have it anymore, as I decided to focus on commercial sporters. But at one time I had a closet full of military rollers, including every variation (?) that the Swedes and Norwegians put out. And that was just a fraction of the size of oldremguy's collection.

[oldremguy]

Matt- Super collection, superb photos!
In photo 1, please describe in more detail the .50 carbine made from musket parts.
On the Remingthon scarf, what is the makers/printer's name on the hem or edge?

Hello Ed,
Here is more details about the .50 carbine
The carbine looks to be converted from a 1863 musket. It has the standard length rolling block trigger guard, the musket stock was inlaid for the longer trigger guard of the musket and the different between the lengths of the trigger guards was filled in with wood. It has a US stamped steel buttplate. The musket stock must not have been inlaid for the ramrod channel or barrel band springs, there is no plugs in the carbine forearm. The barrel band retaining spring is location on the bottom of the forearm, like your standard Remington carbines. The barrel band is the same as found on the Springfield musket and is located the same distance from the receiver as on the converted rolling block musket. It has the standard 3 leaf musket sight mounted in front of the receiver. It also has the concave breech block that is rimfire, with a side ejector. The barrel looks to be a musket barrel that was not yet bored out to 58 cal. but bored out to 50 caliber, it has 5 lands and 5 grooves in the barrel. A 50-70 case does not chamber it is a little shorter in case length. I think the case would be about 1.5" in length. The barrel is 22 inches long, the front sight is not the standard carbine sight, and it is a rifle type sight. It is located the same distance back from the muzzle as found on the converted muskets. The end of the barrel is tapered so a civil war bayonet locks up on it. The carbine has the Remington 2 line patent date on the upper tang. Last patent dated is 1866 or 1868.

Below are some measurements from the barrel of a .58 caliber 1863 Springfield musket that was converted to a Remington Rolling Block Rifle, comparing them to the converted carbine
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Measures at different places on barrel:
......At receiver 4" from receiver At barrel stub 9" from receiver 12" from receiver
Musket ...1.103........1.014"..............0.966"..............0.945".............0.916"
Carbine .. 1.057".......0.997”..............0.949"..............0.926".............0.880"
After 9" the barrel on the carbine starts to taper down to 0.784" at the muzzle, for the musket it is .781

On the Remingthon scarf, the maker is GUADALLY PELLERIN BAR na
No.270

Have a Good Day,
Matt

[ehull]

Matt, Very unique carbine -- Remington certainly made some weird stuff.
I asked about the scarf because other examples also have a Spanish printer's name. I don't think Remington was involved in their fabrication, because their name is misspelled!
I have a scarf in Swedish, but the hem no longer has the name of the printer. I have not seen another.
Ed

[stanforth]

At least I didn't see one of these in your collection.
Swedish 1870 Cavelry Carbine in 12.7X44R converted from rimfire. Made in 1877 by Carl Gustav.
Excuse the image quality.

Since my post above. I have had a chance to try the carbine with an gallery load (188grn round ball and 45 grns Black powder) and something like a service load of 380 grn hollow base bullet and 74grns. PB.
These were on a 25 yard range and the results were the same for both 1 1/2 inch group.The blast , noise and flame from the service load was most impressive.
I am impressed with the results from a 16 inch barreled gun that looks like it wouldn't hit the broadside of a barn from inside.
I shall continue to use it as a gallery rifle with the low load.

[Dick Hosmer]

Forgive my ignorance - what is a/the "scarf"? Thanks.