has us markings in stock and 138 cut into the side of the stock
chamber is very long 2.54in
now rim max size in chamber is .783
base is .708-.710
guy who owned it thought maybe a trials rifle
.58 carbine
.58 carbine
got a transitional rolling block carbine in a .58 centre fire off gun broker
has us markings in stock and 138 cut into the side of the stock
chamber is very long 2.54in
now rim max size in chamber is .783
base is .708-.710
guy who owned it thought maybe a trials rifle
has us markings in stock and 138 cut into the side of the stock
chamber is very long 2.54in
now rim max size in chamber is .783
base is .708-.710
guy who owned it thought maybe a trials rifle
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Re: .58 carbine
It surely appears to have been US military (or at least has a cartouched buttstock) at some time and in some fashion, but I believe it is a cut-down rifle as opposed to an original carbine. There is a cleaning rod groove (or a filled one) in the forend, right? The .58 center-fires were, AFAIK, used by the States (South Carolina being one) as opposed to the US Army.
Ed Hull will have the definitive explanation, I'm sure.
Ed Hull will have the definitive explanation, I'm sure.
Re: .58 carbine
What is the barrel length? Does a M1855/61 socket bayonet fit the muzzle? Please post a photo of the complete frame, left side, rear sight to end of tang; also a closeup of the muzzle & sight. Ed
Re: .58 carbine
Also, is there a wood screw at the rear of the bottom tang? Ed
Re: .58 carbine
yes there is a one wood screw in the lower tang
do you measure the barrel from the breech or action forward?
don't have a 1855/61 socket bayonet have a few Enfield ones only
fore end has a cleaning rod hole and action has a catch for the rod
do you measure the barrel from the breech or action forward?
don't have a 1855/61 socket bayonet have a few Enfield ones only
fore end has a cleaning rod hole and action has a catch for the rod
Re: .58 carbine
Measure the barrel to the face of the breech block.
This appears to be a cut down musket conversion. The chamber length indicates .58 Berdan Musket caliber, not .58 Carbine. The sling swivel on the trigger guard and the long bottom tang with wood screw are characteristics the frame of a musket conversion. The buttstock with cartouche looks in better condition than the rest of the gun; it is probably an attempt at "upgrade." This type of flat sided buttstock is not the type on any original Springfield trials/test arm.
This appears to be a cut down musket conversion. The chamber length indicates .58 Berdan Musket caliber, not .58 Carbine. The sling swivel on the trigger guard and the long bottom tang with wood screw are characteristics the frame of a musket conversion. The buttstock with cartouche looks in better condition than the rest of the gun; it is probably an attempt at "upgrade." This type of flat sided buttstock is not the type on any original Springfield trials/test arm.
Re: .58 carbine
barrel is 24in
what is the shell dimensions for a .58 Berdan Musket calibre
what is the shell dimensions for a .58 Berdan Musket calibre
Re: .58 carbine
Cartridge dimensions:
Total length= 2.13"
Case length= 1.65"
Head/base= 0.643"
Rim= 0.710-0.742(depends on maker)
Total length= 2.13"
Case length= 1.65"
Head/base= 0.643"
Rim= 0.710-0.742(depends on maker)
Re: .58 carbine
well after further investigation chamber has been drilled, only way to save the barrel is to put a chamber sleeve in
although I did fire one round in it with a snider case the chamber is too far gone who ever drilled it left no neck taper its like 20g straight only other way is turned brass
cheaper to repair it make it a snider chamber and be done with it
although I did fire one round in it with a snider case the chamber is too far gone who ever drilled it left no neck taper its like 20g straight only other way is turned brass
cheaper to repair it make it a snider chamber and be done with it