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french leatherneck
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Post by french leatherneck »

Hello,

My second post!
I am from France and wonder if anyone can help me identify a another revolver for my friend.
Remington Army New Model .44 serial number 129095.

After the mine, is the second in 1868 bought Remington in our shooting club.



Thanks.
billt
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Post by billt »

Hi,
Your friend’s revolver serial number 129095 was made in January of 1865. It was one of the last twenty thousand made.


Bill
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Thank you for the answer.

So it is part of the third contract , it is here ?
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I beleive that 5,000 of the last pistols purchased by the Army were returned in part payment for the same number of 1871 single shot rolling blocks.

Someone will no doubt correct me.
billt
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Post by billt »

Yes the revolver is a part of the third contract.

Stanforth, you are correct. On February 27th 1871 W.C. Squire and agent for Remington entered in an agreement with A.B. Dwyer Chief of Ordnance USA to swap 5000 Model 1871 pistols for an equal number of surplus New Model Army Percussion Revolvers. I suspect, as do others, that the New Model Armies were then shipped to France for use in the Franco-Prussian War (July 1870 – May 1871). There is a good possibility that the revolver in question was among those 5000.



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Hi,
I am thinking that I also may have one of the 5000 for the Franco-Prussian war, my revolver is a Remington New Model Army barrel/frame #143924 so it was made in March 1865 and although it has the original grips it has no stamp on them to say it was accepted by the Army.
It also has London proof marks on the barrel and cylinder, UK is a short distance from France so that could be the possible route. The strange thing with the stamps is that if it is a weapon made outside of the UK the stamps should have a circle stamped around them…
Hidden away at the back of the cylinder I also found a number 2 stamp, possibly the second cylinder of two that at some point were attached to the revolver?
Lastly, the barrel has been shortened to 6” at some point.
If anyone has any ideas or info on this revolver I would be glad to hear it.
Kind regards,
John.
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Hi John,

As far as is known, all the guns sent to France were sent directly to France and not routed to another country. What is your source that non-UK made guns have a circle around the proof mark? I have seen US made guns with the standard UK proof marks, but no circle around the proof mark. There is nothing like that mentioned in the book, "Gunmarks," by David Byron.

The crown over V is the London proof mark, but I couldn't find the crown over a P mark.

The Barrel could have been shortened any time in the last 158 years, so there is no way of knowing when or where.

I have no idea about the numeral "2" on the rear of the cylinder. A cased gun with two cylinders may have had the last few numerals of the serial stamped on the rear of both cylinder, to keep them together.

Guns without inspectors' stamps were sold on the civilian market, even during the Civil War. This isn't any real help, but too many years have passed since it was made.

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Post by Aquatek »

Many thanks for your reply, it’s a fun revolver anyway so I give up on trying to trace its history now 😜👍
Cheers,
John.
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