manufacture date of model 11

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by admin » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:07 pm

Researcher wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:49 pm
That serial number chronology for 12-gauge Model 11s is right on with the old factory ledger when it starts in 1919, but it is 10K off by 1931?!?
Well I *think* I mentioned it might not be perfect I just went with what I could find.
I've noticed a few others aren't quite right more to the later but after 1920 shouldn't be looking there ;)

Anything I find I try to make available.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:49 pm

I just acquired a Model 11 with a serial number of 242022 on the bottom, letters FN on the left side to the best of my knowledge as they’re faint, and stamped UMC. The research I’ve done gives me 3 different years. Could anyone help me narrow this down by chance? Thank you in advance!

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Researcher » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:07 am

According to the old Remington factory ledger, the Model 11 receiver with serial number 242022 was put in work between July 30 and September 30, 1922. F is not a Remington month date code, perhaps a poorly struck E which would be October? For the year N = 1922.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:58 pm

That would make sense. Did they still mark these with UMC after 1920 when they changed to Remington Arms? Because everything is clearly marked UMC.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Researcher » Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:04 pm

Remington continued to use that Remington-UMC logo for many years after the company became Remington Arms Co., Inc. What is the company name on the barrel of your gun? I've seen a lot of early 1920s Remington Arms Co., Inc. products marked Remington Arms Company, Inc. Successor to The Remington Arms Union Metallic Cartridge Company, Inc. So far I haven't recorded that on a Model 11 barrel but have on Model 10 and 17s and lots of vintage ammunition boxes.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:51 pm

I see, it is marked The Remington Arms Union Metalic Ctg. Co, Inc.
Thank you so much for your help!

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:55 pm

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Researcher » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:51 pm

Is that barrel the same serial number as the receiver? Serial number should be stamped on the base of the ring that goes around the magazine tube. The one thing that we can say is that barrel was made before they got a roll-stamp with the new company name.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:20 am

There is no serial number anywhere on the barrel at all.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Researcher » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:39 pm

Here is where the serial number should be --
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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Kbennett77 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:03 pm

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This is the only serial number anywhere on the gun.

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Re: manufacture date of model 11

Post by Researcher » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:34 am

With no serial number on the barrel, the only scenario I can think of is that the barrel was purchased after market and fitted outside the factory. Or the serial number was buffed off the barrel when it was reblued.

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