The general consensus seems to be "don't mess with these triggers" but--- does anyone know of a 141 trigger specialist. Mine is extremely accurate but at times is a three stage trigger at about 8 creepy draggy lbs. The gun has been throughly disassembled and carefully cleaned. If some people have triggers that break at 4 to 5 pounds cleanly, as I read here ,then they should be able to be made more user friendly. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
141 trigger work
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umcpumpgun
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Re: 141 trigger work
Jim, The mod 141's and mod 14's have trigger pulls all over the place. This is partly because parts on these guns are all over the place as there were many parts changes over the years on these guns. Ask any one that has ever tried to replace a part on one. It can be frustrating to have several parts of one kind and none of them will fit. I have quite a few of these and have shot many of them and have some with reasonable triggers and some not so reasonable. I don't know if it is just luck or lack there of, but most of the heavy pulls I have are late model serial numbered guns. About the best you could probably do is to just slick up and smooth parts very carefully. I have also been frustrated by some of the heavy pulls. Umcpumpgun
Re: 141 trigger work
UMCpumpgun is correct in that on the Model 14 they changed the design of almost every part on the rifle, many of them several times but not so much with the 141. The basic problem you have with the trigger assembly is that it is the latest in 1910 technology with only modest improvements made on the 141 trigger over the 14 coming in the form of a easier to install trigger spring cap.
If you have as you say done a through cleaning of the trigger assembly and by through I mean completely removing all the parts including the safety systems then there isn't much else you can do. The trigger bushing itself will become caked with old dried oil under the trigger itself, crap will accumulate in the cavity for the trigger spring, and I have seen more than a few cases where the hooky portion of the hook/lever safety system binds on the trigger and needs to be relieved.
These rifles were hand assembled and although the 141's have far better parts uniformity over the Model 14 the guns remain very "parts specific" so if you screw up the trigger by trying to hone it down or screw with the sear you will end up with "slam-fires" and a nasty situation. If you have cleaned/polished the trigger bushing (I use a fine wire wheel) along with all the other parts there isn't much else to do.
It is my opinion (confirmed by other long time collectors) that the later the serial of your 141, greater is the potential for fit & mechanical problems. From about serial 55,000 and up you start to see internal heavy machine marks on both the frame and trigger guard assembly, the fit of the parts is far less good than on pre-war guns, and I have seen guns in the 65,000 to 78,000 range where you have to separate the upper/lower with a dead blow hammer. This situation is never apparent on the outside where the finish was lovely but it is the small stuff like a lousy fit on the magazine plug, the hook system in the trigger guard assembly, and the channel for the carrier can be rough.
OK..........enuff, you get the idea but if you have cleaned the trigger parts well and its still not where you want it to be I would leave it the heck alone. My idea of cleaning those parts may be different than yours but I've done my best to describe how I go about it.
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
If you have as you say done a through cleaning of the trigger assembly and by through I mean completely removing all the parts including the safety systems then there isn't much else you can do. The trigger bushing itself will become caked with old dried oil under the trigger itself, crap will accumulate in the cavity for the trigger spring, and I have seen more than a few cases where the hooky portion of the hook/lever safety system binds on the trigger and needs to be relieved.
These rifles were hand assembled and although the 141's have far better parts uniformity over the Model 14 the guns remain very "parts specific" so if you screw up the trigger by trying to hone it down or screw with the sear you will end up with "slam-fires" and a nasty situation. If you have cleaned/polished the trigger bushing (I use a fine wire wheel) along with all the other parts there isn't much else to do.
It is my opinion (confirmed by other long time collectors) that the later the serial of your 141, greater is the potential for fit & mechanical problems. From about serial 55,000 and up you start to see internal heavy machine marks on both the frame and trigger guard assembly, the fit of the parts is far less good than on pre-war guns, and I have seen guns in the 65,000 to 78,000 range where you have to separate the upper/lower with a dead blow hammer. This situation is never apparent on the outside where the finish was lovely but it is the small stuff like a lousy fit on the magazine plug, the hook system in the trigger guard assembly, and the channel for the carrier can be rough.
OK..........enuff, you get the idea but if you have cleaned the trigger parts well and its still not where you want it to be I would leave it the heck alone. My idea of cleaning those parts may be different than yours but I've done my best to describe how I go about it.
Jim Peterson
Charlotte, NC
Jim Peterson
Re: 141 trigger work
Pumpgun and Jim ---Thanks for your time and info. I guess I'll leave well enough alone.
Jim
Jim