Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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123rover50
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Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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I have several no 1,s a no 4 and 6, and recently bought this. No markings except the serial no.The barrel has the usual Remington Ilion address and 40 1 7/8 on the underside. It has been lined to 32 -40. I want to remove the liner and reline to the original 40 - 50 ss. Does the appearance of the markings bring it in line with original Remington Hepburns? I ask this as the barrel may not belong to the action.I am in Queensland Australia.

Thanks Keith.

I have more photos but 3 seems to be the limit, are they too big ? I could try thumbnails.

Cheers Keith..
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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123rover50 wrote:. . . I have more photos but 3 seems to be the limit, are they too big ? I could try thumbnails. . .
Try putting them in a reply to this post.


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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Good idea, thanks for that, I am new to this stuff.

No did not work, red writing says " sorry, the board attatchment quota has been reached."

I will try later, maybe reduce them to thumbnails.

Thanks Keith.
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123rover50
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Thanks admin , i will try again.
The serial no is 9283, if it cant be read. I thought the size and shape of the stamps might correspond to other Hepburns. Are there any other Hepburns with out the makers name on the action?

O.K. here is three more, the max allowed. I have two more I will post Later.

Goodnight from Australia.
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123rover50
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Try for some more photos, I seem to have resized some differently, o well I will get the hang of it eventually. The set triggers look the same as in Frank de Hass s book, and the thing just looks original, but why no Hepburn on the R.H.S. of Receiver.
Regards from OZ Keith.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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The Hepburn and patent date on my rifle is very shallow and would certainly disappear if the receiver were refinished. One explanation for yours would be a refinish. For kicks, can you measure the receiver thickness along the bottom center (where the stamp would have been) to the thousandth of an inch (or hundredth of a mm). I'll do the same and we can see how they compare.

If you are concerned about the barrel belonging to the receiver, the barrel should be serialized to the receiver, as well as both pieces of wood and the butt plate. The number on the inside upper tang on my rifle does not match any of these other numbers, though :?:

I have thrown in a couple pics of my receiver and barrel markings. Mine is much rougher than yours, and also relined (from 32-40 Remington to 38-55).
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Thanks for the reply 71 Fan , I measured both sides , L.H.S.measured in several places 3.675 mm or .1346" 3.695mm or .1453"
3.575mm or .1407" R.H.S. measures 3.60mm or .1417" 3.615mm or .1422". Removing the stock, there no numbers on the wood or butplate. 7744 on L.H.S. of upper and lower tangs, and serial no 9283 on lower tang and R.H.S. of upper tang.
The tapered octagonal barrel is 30" long 1 1/16 at breech end and 15/16 at muzzle. serial no on barrel is 5120 and has
385 S.T. towards the breech end. Calibre stamp 40 17/8 under forearm.. Same Remington address as yours on top.
Looking at the inletting, its done by a rotary machine, mill or router, Makes me think the whole thing has been refurbished, so you are probably right about the marks been polished off.

Regards Keith.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Wow. You'll have to give me a few days to get mine disassembled and measured. I'll also post some pics of my wood where the numbers are, for reference.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Here you go:
Left hand side, front to back, along the bottom of the receiver:
0.1461, 0.1450 (where patent stamp is), 0.1442

Same, right hand side:
0.1462, 0.1458, 0.1450
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Thanks 71fan, you did not have to do it straight away, but appreciate it. Does the size and shape of the no stamps look the same as yours? If so I think I can conclude it is a Remington, but has been refinished.
Anyone know how to remove a liner?
Regards from downunder
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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No worries. Any excuse to go hide in the garage for a while is fine with me. I enjoy it.

Lower tang serial is the same size and orientation, the only difference being mine is about 3/32" further to the rear. That variation seems reasonable.

Upper tang inside appears to be the same size and location

Lower tang inside - mine doesn't have any mark.

This part is interesting - you have two distinct numbers on your lower tang. It leads me to believe perhaps the 7744 is an assembly number. Since my upper tang number and serial number are different (7389 and 6772 respectively) I had previously assumed the receiver was a replacement, since all other parts have 6772 on them.

I'm sure there are several others on this forum that know about this. Hopefully they'll chime in.

Anyway, I'm guessing your is indeed Remington based on the numbers I can see.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Thanks muchly for your help 71fan, thats mainly what I wanted to know. This is the first Hepburn I have seen, so I had nothing to compare it with. Even though the barrel is mismatched I will still reline back to 40-50 ss and make a shooter out of it. I have a reamer coming from Pacific Tool and Gauge, that should do the trick.
Regards Keith.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Should be able to drill out the liner, unless it was glued in, then it can be heated up and pulled.
I agree it sure appears to be a real Rem. Hepburn, but probably restored with the condition being that nice, but no patent stamps.
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Re: Is my Hepburn a Remington?

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Thanks for that. I would like to save the liner, so I will try heat first, rig up a wire up the bore with a knob or something to engage the liner while I pull.
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