Help identifying New Army revolver

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dcsosro115
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Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:10 am

Hello and great to be here. I joined this site due to a rescent search in reference to my newly purchased, original Remington New Army revolver. I noticed that there was a wealth of knowledge here and was sincerely hoping that you fine folks could assist me like you have countless others. The revolver I purchased is in descent shape given the age I suppose. After some light, non- abrasive cleaning and disassembly I have determined that serial number 120511 is on both the frame and barrel, however not in the trigger guard. I uncovered a very nice, although quite worn Giles Porter Cartouche on the left grip, as well as “C” stamps on the under side of the grip. This weapon has been converted to a cartridge cylinder to include some sort of plate against the firing pin area of the frame, and the addition of a cartridge ejector. Again- thank you to all of you because prior to reading our previous replies, I wouldn’t know anything about the above. The questions I have are the norm... I’m thinking that the serial will likely fall in December 1864 or January 1865 and that it was accepted into the ordinance department but likely not issued. I’ve searched the internet tirelessly using your information but I hasn’t cant find “that site” that can tell me a production date, whether it was issued to anyone or what company it may have been issued to. Any and all information you can provide will be much appreciated, relied upon and treasured as I have no idea the past on this weapon. If I can figure out how to post pics here, I will do so ASAP. THANKS AGAIN!

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:18 pm

Here’s some pics to assist in identification. I’d love to know more about it.
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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by billt » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:22 pm

Hello,
Your revolver was manufactured as a 44 caliber percussion revolver in December of 1864. Unfortunately there are no records as to which unit or soldier the revolvers were issued. Can you tell us the three digit number on the frame? It looks like 406 to me. Are there any other numbers on the barrel and if so are they before the loading lever latch post or behind it? Is the cylinder a five or six shot? Can you send a picture of the hammer with firing pin and one of the cylinder? Without seeing more pictures I am thinking this is a Remington type 3 conversion to five shot 46 rim fire which was later converted to six shot 44 center fire. The serial number on the trigger guard tab is found on the opposite side as shown in your picture.

Regards,

Bill

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Thank you Bill!
As far as the 3 digit number on the frame, are you referring to the numbers behind the left grip? All I can make out is 06. I can kind of see what might be another number but I absolutely cannot make it out. There is a number “06” on the loading lever itself, just in front of the cylinder rod (I’m sure that’s official terminology there). I do see “W” stamped in several spots and “P” on the front of the trigger guard. I see absolutely no other markings on the trigger guard though. The cylinder is a 6 shot and I’ll try to get pics up of that as well as the hammer very soon. I don’t remember seeing a firing pin per set and think that the hammer does all the work. I’ll go ahead and post the rest of the pictures I already have.

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:37 pm

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:09 am

Hey Bill, there is a “7” just past the loading lever post (toward the muzzle) on the bottom of the barrel. I’m sorry. I’m having a very difficult time attaching pictures. Hopefully third time is a charm. I have looked it over again and see that it does not appear to have a firing pin separate from the hammer. Sitting here holding the weapon, I can not find anything that looks like 406. On the inside of the grip frame, I do see a clear “06” (same as on left side of loading lever, just forward of the cylinder) but not a 3 digit number. On the frame, under the trigger guard is a 4 on either side of the trigger guard mounting screw hole and I still can’t find anything besides “p” stamped into the trigger guard just in front of the mounting screw hole. I’m sure there are several possibilities for the absence of a serial there but the “p” is what’s throwing me off. I fear that these 6 new pictures aren’t going to load either because I keep getting an “HTTP error” every time I try to attach one. Thank you again for your earlier reply, I really am trying to get the rest of this information out to you.
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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by aardq » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:07 pm

The serial number Is on the tab of the trigger guard, the part that fits into the frame.
Dan

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:57 pm

Ah! Thank you Dan. It’s very possible that it’s obscured with the nastiness that I’ve not yet removed. That reminds me too, I’ve been told that cleaning all that mess out of the weapon will reduce its value. Is that true? I don’t intend on selling it but it’s still in my mind. Also, I understand that values aren’t given on here and I respect that; Based on the pictures, do y’all think I got hurt at $600.00 for this pistol? Again, it doesn’t really matter but I definitely like it when I get a deal.
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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by billt » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:17 pm

Sorry I have not gotten back to you sooner, I have been out of town. From your last picture it looks you have a type 3 Remington factory conversion, which has been further converted to 44 center fire. The initial six shot 44 percussion revolver was converted by Remington to a five shot 46 rim fire revolver. The ejector housing, ejector rod and backing plate all look to be factory made. Some time later the revolver was converted to a 44 center fire six shot revolver. A new six shot cylinder was made and the hammer tip was reformed to fire the new cartridge. The number 06 or possible it is 90 may be related to the second conversion. Normally a type 3 conversion has the conversion number stamped on the underside of the barrel between the loading lever latch post and the serial number and on the left front frame leg under the grip.
The “P” on the trigger guard is an inspection stamp just like the “B” on the frame in your seventh picture.
As far as cleaning the gunk from the revolver I do not think it is a problem or reduces the value of the revolver. Just use something like Hoppe’s #9 and you do not want to things like polishing the brass or buffing the finish.

Bill

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:27 pm

Thank you Bill! You and the other folks on this forum are amazing. I plan on cleaning the pistol, making a foam backed, felt lined shadow box to hang on the wall with an engraved brass card that includes all the information y’all have provided me. I’m sure I’ll come up with a few other questions!

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by aardq » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:47 am

An idea for your shadow box would be to find a cartridge for the gun and make it part of the display. If you want to make it inert, just drill a small hole into the side of the case. dump the powder and squirt WD-40 into the case. That will kill the primer, and any residual powder. Once finished, post a pic.
Good luck,
Dan

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Re: Help identifying New Army revolver

Post by dcsosro115 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:16 pm

Dan, I absolutely love that idea. Maybe go a step further and find an original .44 B&C complete charge, a .46 rimfire and a .44 centerfire to show all three that it’s been modified for. I seriously doubt that I could ever find a .46 5-shot cylinder and a .44 B&C cylinder but it would be neat to have those displayed as well. I have a friend that has a Laser engraver so the brass plate should be easy enough. I’d like to include as much info as possible on it. I’ve learned a great deal thanks to this thread and you fine folks.

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