Model 1858

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Scotty1952
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Model 1858

Post by Scotty1952 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:38 am

I have a gun that has been passed down in the family for years. It is a Remmington .44 cal, patented Sep14,1958. The serial number on the barrel is 144624. I'm wondering if anyone would have any information about this weapon. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Model 1858

Post by aardq » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:13 pm

Hi Scotty,

Welcome to the forum. Pictures are always better, but may not be needed this time. The serial indicates that it was made in March 1865. If it was accepted by the US, there will be a single letter, inspector's mark on the bbl, frame, and loading lever. It will also have an oval cartouche with initials, in the left grip panel. If these marks are absent, the gun was for civilian sale.

Enjoy the pistol,
Dan

Scotty1952
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Re: Model 1858

Post by Scotty1952 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:44 pm

Thanks Dan.
Here are pics of the gun and inside the left grip panel.
There is pencil writing on the inside of the grips if that could be any help. "45" on one and "697" on the other.
Just trying to get a good reading on this gun so I can move it on to my son.

Scotty
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aardq
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Re: Model 1858

Post by aardq » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:49 pm

Hi Scotty,

Thanks for the photos. That's in nice condition. Forgot to tell you that the gun is a New Model Army. I can't see any inspector's marks, nor a cartouche on the left grip panel. The pencil number on the inside of the grip panels should be the last 3 or 4 digits of the serial number. Often the grips were fitted to the gun, so they were numbered to make sure they got back on the right gun.

Does the barrel number match the frame number? The number will also be on the tab of the trigger guard. Are the nipples missing?

The trigger guard screw is either unscrewed and about to fall out, or it is the wrong screw. Replacement screws are available, try Dixie Gun Works.

Dan

Scotty1952
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Re: Model 1858

Post by Scotty1952 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:13 am

Dan
At a closer (much closer) look the grip panel numbers are indeed 3 digits of the serial number.
Yes, the barrel number and the frame number do match.
Yes, the nipples are missing. Also, the cylinder rotates freely so I guess there is no cylinder stop is missing. Are those sold also?

Scotty

shamousrex
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Re: Model 1858

Post by shamousrex » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:45 pm

I am new to this and I have a pistol that looks exactly like Dan's. my serial no. is 60354 and there are faint pencil marks on the inside of the wood grips. There are stamp number on the cylinder starting at the first number and rotating clockwise I have a 2, 03 (with a 0 that is just below and between the 0 and 3), and 54.

Any idea of the year it was made and who initially bought it? Value today, if any?

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Rusty

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Re: Model 1858

Post by aardq » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:58 am

Hi King Shamus, ; )

Scotty has the pistol in question. By the serial number, your pistol is a New Model Army and according to Ware, the gun was made in March, 1864. As with Scotty's gun, if it was a US owned gun there will be an oval cartouche in the left grip with the inspector's initials. Also the frame, bbl, and loading lever will have a single letter stamped in them. That is the sub-inspector's mark. The fact that the cylinder also has the serial number means that the gun required some hand fitting and the cyl was numbered to insure that it went into the proper gun. No way know where it was shipped. We don't give values here because guns require personal inspection to assess condition.

Dan

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Re: Model 1858

Post by aardq » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:02 am

Scotty,

The internal parts are available. Is the cylinder stop missing, or is the spring missing? Visual inspection should tell you.

Dan

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Re: Model 1858

Post by OldFotoMan » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:41 pm

There is a double sectioned flat style spring under the trigger guard. One side works the trigger and the other does the pawl that controls the cylinder. Typically the side that works the cylinder breaks off. This allows it to rotate freely and not lock up properly when cocking.

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