1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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bhterrell
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1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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I have an 1875? .44-40 7.5" nickel plated (re-do), the only number anywhere (inside or out) is 239 on the bottom strap under the left grip and again inside the loading gate, it has E. REMINGTON & SONS . ILION N.Y. U.S.A. stamped from the frame to the muzzle, and old bone replacement grips. I am almost sure it is an 1875, but it has a web that looks like it is a cut-down 1875, kind of made to look somewhat like an 1890 web, but not quite. I would appreciate any thoughts on what it is and why someone would cut down the web to just "sort of" look like an 1890 - they did an excellent, smooth, professional job of cutting it down, but did not make it a good copy of the 1890 web. Also, do you really think that it is an 1875? Thanks for any thoughts or help.
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Re: 1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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People making fakes want it to look like an an 1888 that's much rarer.
If however if it's a real professional job it maybe that he wasn't trying to make a fake he just like the style of the 1888/1890 better since as a professional he probably would have gotten the shape right.
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Re: 1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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Thanks Admin, I appreciate your comments. Hard to guess why people do things.

So, you think that it really is basically an1875 with its web cut down?

Considering the facts that: it has a 3 digit serial number (puts it after the 16,000 or so .44 Remington production run) and it is a .44-40 (puts it before the .45 Colt production) and based on various other clues like the address line or the front sight or it's drilled for a lanyard ring or whatever else you might notice about it, do you have an educated guess as to about when it might have been produced? Wild guess??? Thanks, Bill
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Re: 1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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I defer to the experts on this but only add I've never heard of production runs based on caliber and if anything I believe based on front site it is within the first couple "16,000 or so" batch runs and there are know examples of 44 Rem, 44-40, and 45's there.
Many people are now returning from Vegas so hopefully they will be back soon to comment.
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Thanks again Admin. I appreciate your responses. Bill
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Bill,
Can you take some close up photos of the hammer and firing pin. Also, are there bevels on the top surface of the trigger guard on either side of the tab? This would, along with the pinched front sight and the presence of a lanyard ring, help to narrow the date of manufacture.

Bill
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Hi Bill, thanks for the response. Here are some pictures, please let me know if you need more or others. I appreciate your help. Bill T
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Re: 1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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The hammers on the (serial numbered) First Type Revolvers have flat tops with rectangular firing pins and without bevels on either side of the firing pin. The topside of the trigger guard is flat, later ones have bevels on either side of the tab. I have two 1875’s with flat top hammers, rectangular firing pins and without bevels. They also have no bevels on the trigger guards. Their serial numbers are in the 3800 and 13000 range. According to "The Guns of Remington" these were made between 1874 and 1878. Your hammer seems to be the later one with a round top, a cone firing pin and bevels. From the picture of the trigger guard it seems to be flat with no bevels. Is there a serial number on the tab? If not it is possible the trigger guard was replaced. If it does have a serial number it was probably left over from the First Type Revolvers. If the front sight is original and just replaced when the barrel was cut, I would place the manufacture date between 1878 and 1881 probably closer to 1878. The modification of the barrel and the web was probably in the 1888 time frame.

Bill
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Re: 1875 .44-40 with "modified" "sort of" 1890 web

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Thank you Bill, that is a lot of great information. As you can see on the picture, there is a light bevel on the long edge of the tab on the side towards the trigger loop, and even a slightly lesser bevel that you can see on the other long side of the tab, were these the bevels you were referring to on the trigger loop? There is no serial number inside the trigger guard, only a hardly distinguishable mark about a eight inch in diameter that looks sort of like a circle with a line through it. And you are right, I think that the barrel has been cut. It is now a tad over 4 7/8" from the frame and the sight is not exactly centered on the barrel, slightly off to the right and, either they set it rotated just a couple of degrees clockwise or it got a whack on the left front that bent the front just a bit more to the right. Wish they had not tampered with it, but I still like it a lot. Thanks again for all the help. Bill T
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