Remington New Model 1858 Black Powder Help

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Liberty[1858]
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Remington New Model 1858 Black Powder Help

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I have a Remington New Model .44 Black Powder revolver and need any information about this revolver that someone can help me with.
Serial #, located under the loading ram, on the bottom of the hex barrel: 1 3 0 7 6 7
On the top of the hex barrel is a 3-line Remington Address:
Patented Sept. 14, 1858
E. REMINGTON & SONS. ILION. NEWYORK.U.S.A
NEW-MODEL

There is a 'N' (without the quotes ) on the left side of the barrel, close to where the barrel and the frame meet. It appears to be italic.
There is a 'C' (without the quotes) on the left side of the frame, just forward of the arch exposing the threads of the barrel. Again, appears to be italic.
There is a 'W' (without the quotes) on the cylinder above one of the hammer safety slots.
There is a 'G' (without the quotes) on the cylinder above one of the hammer safety slots.
The 'G' proof and the 'W' proof are exactly opposite sides of the cylinder.
There is a 'W' (without the quotes) on the opposite side of the frame from the 'C' proof above.
There is a 'S' proof on the brass trigger guard, between the forward loop and the front screw that attaches the guard to the frame.
There is a 'C' proof on bottom of each wood grip panel.
There is a 'G' proof mark on the loading ram, at the forward end of the hinged flat piece, (just before the loading ram turns to a round pin and has the loading ram spring loaded release clip on the ram where it locks to the barrel.
There is a 'T' proof mark on the bottom of the barrel, just forward of the barrel to loading ram lock.
There is a 'J' proof mark on the Left side of the frame, above the hammer screw and below the ridge of the frame piece, just within a 1/4" of the recoil shield on the cylinder back plate.
The wood grips are perfect shape to match the grip frame and are matched to the serial number of the firearm.
It appears to have had a cartouche marking on the grip, but most of it's appearance has faded away.
The brass trigger loop is a darkened brass patena.
All 6 cylinder nipples are in decent shape, open, and no damage that would reflect dry fire conditions.
The recoil shield on the right side is cut into a moon shape to allow easy placement of cap to the nipple.
The cross hatching on the hammer, (where the shooter's thumb would grab the hammer) appears to have about 13 separate serrations through the cross hatch, with the cross hatch only on the upper tip, while the lower cross-hatch turns to just incomplete marks closer to the recoil shield.
Cylinder bores are fairly clean, slight damage if any to the cylinders due to black powder corrosion and pitting.
The firearm itself is covered with heavy brown patena and smaller flecks of moisture or blood droplets that could have caused spotted corrosion.
There is some blackend staining on the frame between the forward end of the cylinders on both sides of the frame, as well as blackened stains just below the recoil shield down to the brass trigger loop. Almost as if it were case hardened frame work or possibly blued.
Barrel is octagon shaped with what appears to be 5 lans & groove.
Cartouche block appears on the bottom edge of the left grip and is approximately 1/2" in lenght and maybe 3/8" in height.
The left grip is chipped where the palm edge of the grip starts from the bottom upwards for about 3/4".
The cylinder when removed from the firearm reflects the following numbers: 42 72
Can anyone provide any information based on my description?
Respectfully, proud owner of 1858 New Model Remington and Elliot '41' double barrel darringer.
The front site (forward end of barrel) is round on the bottom, flat pinched to a slot shaped blade and the blade itself is rounded arch on the top.
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Serial # under barrel.  I was curious, could this serial number have been 30767 and the leading # 1 have been added after re-work?
Serial # under barrel. I was curious, could this serial number have been 30767 and the leading # 1 have been added after re-work?
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Front Sight, Pinched Blade
Front Sight, Pinched Blade
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Left Grip Panel - Faint Cartouche, would like to know the possible name of final inspector.  Last character could have been a " P ".  Thanks
Left Grip Panel - Faint Cartouche, would like to know the possible name of final inspector. Last character could have been a " P ". Thanks
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Oyeboten
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Re: Remington New Model 1858 Black Powder Help

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Can you post some nice images of it?

Indirect outdoor light is best.
billt
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Re: Remington New Model 1858 Black Powder Help

Post by billt »

Hello,
You have the latest variation of a New Model Army revolver with the three-line barrel address and a pinched front sight, which was made in January of 1865. The letters found on the major parts are inspection marks from the various Government inspectors. Once the inspection process was complete the Principle Sub Inspector would stamp his cartouche on the left grip indicating the revolver was accepted by the Ordnance Department. The numbers stamped on the cylinder indicate there was some fine tuning necessary to allow the cylinder to function properly and were needed to match the cylinder with the revolver once the finish had been applied to the various parts. The grips sometimes had the serial number written in pencil because they also had to be matched to the revolver.


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Liberty[1858]
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Re: Remington New Model 1858 Black Powder Help

Post by Liberty[1858] »

Bill, thanks for the information, the grips are serialized with the firearm itself in pencil. The numbers are written in really nice format, that of what was typical for writing format in the1850's to 1860's.
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